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faksta · « **Reply #25 on:** January 22, 2011, 06:49:29 AM »

Quote from: João on January 21, 2011, 08:33:18 PM

Quote from: faksta on January 21, 2011, 12:15:40 PM
And in case place #6 is indeed somewhere around Interlagos, let's tie it to car #5 - Ferrari 250TR #0606MM and driver #5 - Aguinaldo de Gois Filho (should be 1961 Interlagos 500km).

Again,the same thing...wrong place ( far from that ) right car and right driver ,and no points $:-\$
It's indeed the 1961 500km of Interlagos,but try to match with another place

So, Interlagos should be #1? Doesn't look similar enough - maybe one of the early forms?

João · « **Reply #26 on:** January 22, 2011, 09:17:11 AM »

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The photo of Car #13, an Alfa Romeo JK with Mário Olivetti (Pilot #7) standing beside it, was taken at the Circuito de Petrópolis in 1961; I’d connect them to Place #4, Belvedere of Petrópolis.

Right car,right pilot and wrong place.

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Place #4 seems to be a link in another thread as well: on 24 September, 1933, Roberto Marinho (Pilot #2) set a speed record in his Voisin C20 Coupé (Car #1) at the Rio–Petrópolis road race.

Perfect! The Belvedere stays in the road of Rio-Petrópolis

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João · « **Reply #27 on:** January 22, 2011, 09:28:32 AM »

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The inaugural race at Place #2, Circuito da Praia de Botafogo, was held on 17 June, 1956. Overall winner was Car #9, a Ferrari 225S driven by Arthur de Souza Costa. Could he be Pilot #4?

Again a pilot that appears with the machine,it's indeed Arthur de Souza Costa Filho! So it's not pilot #4.He completed 15 laps with 27min26s.

Well done!

More pictures :

João · « **Reply #28 on:** January 22, 2011, 09:32:28 AM »

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So, Interlagos should be #1? Doesn't look similar enough - maybe one of the early forms?

Yes! It's a picture from 1973! Locked for you!

faksta · « **Reply #29 on:** January 22, 2011, 10:10:00 AM »

OK, then

Quote from: faksta on January 21, 2011, 12:15:40 PM

let's tie it to car #5 - Ferrari 250TR #0606MM and driver #5 - Aguinaldo de Gois Filho (should be 1961 Interlagos 500km).

João · « **Reply #30 on:** January 22, 2011, 10:18:56 AM »

That's it!

faksta · « **Reply #31 on:** January 22, 2011, 10:47:08 AM »

Quote from: João on January 21, 2011, 08:45:37 PM

Quote from: faksta on January 21, 2011, 01:53:22 PM
Place #3 - Boa Vista? Then it should be connected with drivers on photo #3 (Alvaro and Aylton Varanda) and cars #7 (Ferrari 500 Mondial) and #8 (Ferrari 225S Spider Vignale as well?).

Wrong place,there is no place for this Ferrari 500 Mondial picture.It's a connection photo.Find another point that connects this picture to another thing.(To another car or pilot).

Pilot and Car :

Well, let's try the same, but not connecting to any track... Cars #7 - Ferrari 500 Mondial and #8 - Ferrari 225S Spider Vignale and drivers on picture #3 - Alvaro and Aylton Varanda (they are brothers, aren't they?).

João · « **Reply #32 on:** January 22, 2011, 11:15:42 AM »

Yes!

Ehhxekt · « **Reply #33 on:** January 22, 2011, 12:14:10 PM »

Quote from: João on January 22, 2011, 09:17:11 AM

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The photo of Car #13, an Alfa Romeo JK with Mário Olivetti (Pilot #7) standing beside it, was taken at the Circuito de Petrópolis in 1961; I’d connect them to Place #4, Belvedere of Petrópolis.

Right car,right pilot and wrong place.

I think I found it: place #6, Petrópolis in the 50s.

João · « **Reply #34 on:** January 22, 2011, 12:18:06 PM »

Another one solved! Nice

Same place and same car :

faksta · « **Reply #35 on:** January 22, 2011, 03:55:09 PM »

Interlagos can also be connected with cars #15 - it is a 1958 race (mentioned in different sources as Prova Prefeito Ademar de Barros or as Preliminar do Torneio Triangular Sul-Americano). 250TR Ferraris are Celso Lara Barberis (#46) and Jose Gimenez Lopez (#82).

Celso Lara Barberis may well be the man #8, by the way...

Ehhxekt · « **Reply #36 on:** January 23, 2011, 12:31:19 PM »

Cars #16 are entries of the 13th GP Cidade do Rio de Janeiro, held at the Circuito da Gávea (Place #7) on 4 January 1954; this was the last time the famous street circuit hosted the event. It is pre-race favourite Chico Landi in his Ferrari 250 MM Vignale Spyder who shares the first row with the eventual winner, Swiss Maserati-driver Emmanuel de Graffenried (Landi, handicapped by a tyre problem, finished third), so I think I’m supposed to complete the thread with Pilot #6. (Browsing the entry list I found that at least three other pilots, seen elsewhere in the puzzle, came together at Gávea that day, but it was Landi alone whose car I was able to identify.)

João · « **Reply #37 on:** January 24, 2011, 02:45:01 PM »

Quote from: faksta on January 22, 2011, 03:55:09 PM

Interlagos can also be connected with cars #15 - it is a 1958 race (mentioned in different sources as Prova Prefeito Ademar de Barros or as Preliminar do Torneio Triangular Sul-Americano). 250TR Ferraris are Celso Lara Barberis (#46) and Jose Gimenez Lopez (#82).

Celso Lara Barberis may well be the man #8, by the way...

Yes,it's! Place : 30/11/1958 "Prova Prefeito Ademar de Barros", Interlagos.
Pilot : Celso Lara Barberis #8
Cars #15 : Ferrari 250 TR number #46 ( Third from left ) Chassis #0716.

João · « **Reply #38 on:** January 24, 2011, 02:55:02 PM »

Quote from: Ehhxekt on January 23, 2011, 12:31:19 PM

Cars #16 are entries of the 13th GP Cidade do Rio de Janeiro, held at the Circuito da Gávea (Place #7) on 4 January 1954; this was the last time the famous street circuit hosted the event. It is pre-race favourite Chico Landi in his Ferrari 250 MM Vignale Spyder who shares the first row with the eventual winner, Swiss Maserati-driver Emmanuel de Graffenried (Landi, handicapped by a tyre problem, finished third), so I think I’m supposed to complete the thread with Pilot #6. (Browsing the entry list I found that at least three other pilots, seen elsewhere in the puzzle, came together at Gávea that day, but it was Landi alone whose car I was able to identify.)

Yes! Nice

Place number #7 : 13th GP Cidade do Rio de Janeiro,Circuito da Gávea,1954.
Pilot Number #6 : Chico Landi
Cars #16 : Ferrari 250 MM Vignale Spyder

pnegyesi · « **Reply #39 on:** March 20, 2011, 12:51:52 PM »

Joao, would you be so kind to create a list of identified places and cars?

pnegyesi · « **Reply #40 on:** May 15, 2011, 03:44:00 AM »

João · « **Reply #41 on:** May 16, 2011, 12:15:21 AM »

I'm preparing one,sorry

João · « **Reply #42 on:** July 21, 2011, 03:06:22 PM »

And here we go!

Solutions so far:

Place #1 : Autódromo de Interlagos, São Paulo, 1973.
Place #2 : Circuito Praia de Botafogo, Rio de Janeiro, 1956.
Place #3 : Autódromo Virgilio Távora, Fortaleza, Ceará, 1969.
Place #4 : Belvedere, Rio-Petrópolis Road, 1960s.
Place #5 : Maracanã Stadium, Rio de Janeiro, 1950.
Place #6 : Petrópolis, Rio de Janeiro, 1950s.
Place #7 : Circuito da Gávea, Rio de Janeiro, 1938.

Pilot #1 : Baron Manuel de Teffé von Hoonholtz
Pilot #2 : Roberto Marinho.
Pilot #3 : Alvaro and Aylton Varanda.
Pilot #4 : Pinheiro Pires.
Pilot #5 : Aguinaldo de Gois Filho.
Pilot #6 : Chico Landi.
Pilot #7 : Mário Olivetti.
Pilot #8 : Celso Lara Barberis.
Pilot #9 : Irineu Correa.
Pilot #10: Henrique Casini.
Pilot #11: Sérgio Bernardes.

Connections :

# Alvaro and Aylton Varanda.Brothers,racing with Ferraris. - Faksta (1 point)
# Pinheiro Pires following the Ferrari of Álvaro Varanda at Circuito da Quinta da Boa Vista. - Otto Puzzell (1 point)

Answers :

* Place #7 - Circuito da Gavea, car #3 - Stutz special and Jose Villafranca. - Faksta (3 points)
* Place #7 - Circuito da Gavea, car #2 - Ford V8 Special and Pilot #9 - Irineu Correa. - Faksta (3 points)
* Place #5 - Circuito do Maracanã, car #14 - Ferrari 225S Spyder Vignale and Pilot #11 - Sérgio Bernardes. - Ehhxekt (3 points)
* Place #4 - Belvedere at Rio-Petrópolis Road, car #1 - Voisin C20 and Pilot #2 - Roberto Marinho. - Ehhxekt (3 points)
* Place #2 - Circuito da Praia de Botafogo, car #9 - Ferrari 225S Spyder Vignale and Arthur de Souza Costa Filho. - Ehhxekt (3 points)
* Place #1 - Interlagos, car #5 - Ferrari 250TR #0606MM and Pilot #5 - Aguinaldo de Gois Filho. - Faksta (3 points)
* Place #6 - Petrópolis, car #13 - Alfa Romeo JK and Pilot #7 - Mário Olivetti. - Ehhxekt (3 points)
* Place #1 - Interlagos, car #15 - Ferrari 250 TR number #46 and Pilot #8 - Celso Lara Barberis. - Faksta (3 points)
* Place #7 - Circuito da Gavea, car #16 - Ferrari 250 MM Vignale and Pilot #6 - Chico Landi. - Ehhxekt (3 points)

Otto Puzzell · « **Reply #43 on:** July 24, 2011, 09:29:21 AM »

Pilot 4 is Pinheiro Pires, driving car #6, Maserati chassis 3062, at Circuito da Barra da Tijuca, in 1958. In picture 7, he's seen following the Ferrari of Álvaro Varanda at Circuito da Quinta da Boa Vista

João · « **Reply #44 on:** August 08, 2011, 12:51:23 AM »

Quote from: Otto Puzzell on July 24, 2011, 09:29:21 AM

In picture 7, he's seen following the Ferrari of Álvaro Varanda at Circuito da Quinta da Boa Vista

Good! a connection

One point!

Pilot and car are right but no points for that.Sorry.

João · « **Reply #45 on:** December 20, 2011, 08:19:16 PM »

Back to the track guys!

UPDATE: the answers above.

Oguerrerob · « **Reply #46 on:** July 21, 2012, 07:39:01 PM »

I've been playing with this old puzzle, there are two pilots missing, I guess they are Julius Di Moraes pilot 1 with his famous Fiat S74 (known as Moraes car) car 2 and raced at Autódromo Internacional Virgílio Távora, Fortaleza, CE Brazil 1933. And
Henrique Casini pilot 10 with his Ferrari 250 MM car 11 and raced at Autódromo Internacional Virgílio Távora, Fortaleza, CE Brazil 1954

Craig Gillingham · « **Reply #47 on:** July 23, 2012, 08:19:28 AM »

I think car #4 is an RLSS Alfa Romeo? I know I've seen this photo in a book, just have to remember where!

João · « **Reply #48 on:** July 23, 2012, 08:37:40 PM »

Quote from: Oguerrerob on July 21, 2012, 07:39:01 PM

I've been playing with this old puzzle, there are two pilots missing, I guess they are Julius Di Moraes pilot 1 with his famous Fiat S74 (known as Moraes car) car 2 and raced at Autódromo Internacional Virgílio Távora, Fortaleza, CE Brazil 1933. And
Henrique Casini pilot 10 with his Ferrari 250 MM car 11 and raced at Autódromo Internacional Virgílio Távora, Fortaleza, CE Brazil 1954

Thank you for reviving this old puzzle.

First pilot : wrong.
Second, pilot number 10 : right! it's Casini indeed. One pilot left guys..and one of the most important.

wrong connections Oguerrerob. Locked for you.

João · « **Reply #49 on:** July 23, 2012, 08:46:38 PM »

Quote from: Craig Gillingham on July 23, 2012, 08:19:28 AM

I think car #4 is an RLSS Alfa Romeo? I know I've seen this photo in a book, just have to remember where!

You're absolutely right! And its connection?

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