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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2019 => Topic started by: pnegyesi on October 22, 2012, 08:29:21 AM
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Please identify this racer for a point
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Experts?
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Hooooeee! Definitely pre-Health and Safety: Look at that steering column, first at the scene of the accident, with the poor girl's chest a close second! Mind you a Fiat 600 or a VW Beetle weren't much better than this contraption. I often wonder what designers were thinking - surely they could immediately see what would happen in a frontal collision? Even in those times, it seems, how cheaply things could be made was the deciding factor. :'(
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Professionals?
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Austin 7 based, by the look of the axle.
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I have to check my source as I don't recall an Austin 7 involvment
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Is this an Australian car?
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Sorry Allan, I misplaced the CD which contained info on this car. Here we go:
"It used a 1928 Singer 9 chassis, suitably cut, 1930 Austin 7 front axle, wheels and transverse spring, and 1924 Oakland epicyclic steering box which connected to the Austin steering by an east-west link."
And yes, this was built in Australia
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Does it have a JAP engine?
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no
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Does it have a JAP engine?
Looks like a rear-engined single of some sort, so was it built for Formula 3 with a Norton engine?
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Well, the article refers to "500 class" - so I assume Formula 3 is correct. And yes, it was powered by a Norton engine.
So you just earned yourself a 24 hour lock to find this nice Aussie special
And as this one is not on the net, let me give you a clue. This guy went on to build other racecars, which are introduced on the net
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Thanks, but I have no idea and can find nothing like it in what I have, or have access to. Please open it up.
I also realised that most Norton-powered jobs have the exhaust on the right - on the 'bike it is done to keep it clear of the primary chain/clutch but as there is no obvious reason to do that on a car it should not be a significant identification feature.
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Reluctantly I open it up again
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Could it be Austin & Ron Tauranac's Cooper ES2-powered special (the first RALT) of the late 1940s?
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we have already agreed that it is Norton-powered. It is from the late 1940s and it has been referenced on the web a few times, but a photo has not been featured online so far
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to the Black Hole
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Maybe another picture will help
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Doesn't help me - I've written all I can on this one!
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Doesn't help me - I've written all I can on this one!
Join the club. That "certain site" has a number of cars for which there is no photo, but none of the specs matches the puzzle car, although there is one with a Singer-derived frame. I've always assumed that the registrars of that site had a very comprehensive overview of the category, but they seem to have missed this one.
A question amidst this negativity - is the other car in the second photo a later car built by the same person?
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The 2nd car was built by someone else.
Let me give you a couple of clues: another car from this builder appeared on AP before.
There is a site devoted to the later brand (the brand which appeared on AP), but this car was self-named. The site does mention this car but without further details.
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Is it an early car from John Wynne?
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no
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We've had the CMC before, and I've just found out that builder Andy Menzies also built his own special. Is this the car?
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no
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Is it the Hooper ?
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no, but I am sure you will find it eventually!
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no, but I am sure you will find it eventually!
Don't bet on it! To save other AP members the trouble, I've gone through the marques on "a certain site", which were built in Australia, and used the search on AP for the marque names and the builders' names. Nothing. Zip. Nada.
I really don't know where to look next. Maybe one of our Australian members will have access to reference books of an Antipodean bias.
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Could it be the Lincoln
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no, but thanks for reviving this old puzzle
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I've just seen an image of Reg Hunt's "Flying Bedstead" and there are similarities. Any connection?
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I don't think so, but thanks for trying
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Joass 500, built in 1947-48 by Bob Joass
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And just like that we have the solution. Built in Australia
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Thanks for the points
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I have no idea why I didn't look at that "certain site". It's so obvious now, but also too late ! Well done.
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I have no idea why I didn't look at that "certain site". It's so obvious now, but also too late ! Well done.
In March 2014 you told us you had looked - then and now I can't see a Joass reference in their lists. I'm confused.
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Don't bet on it! To save other AP members the trouble, I've gone through the marques on "a certain site", which were built in Australia, and used the search on AP for the marque names and the builders' names. Nothing. Zip. Nada.
I have no idea why I didn't look at that "certain site". It's so obvious now, but also too late ! Well done.
In March 2014 you told us you had looked - then and now I can't see a Joass reference in their lists. I'm confused.
I feel like such an outsider now. Any hints as to the identity of this "certain site?" Somehow I doubt you're referring to the source where I found the solution (which contains no list of marques built in Australia).
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No links allowed I'm afraid. You have to learn where to look by experience.
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No links allowed I'm afraid. You have to learn where to look by experience.
1) No problem;
2) I actually asked for a hint, not a link;
3) I highly doubt that 'certain site' refers to a website of which I am not already aware;
4) I think I found 'where to look' in this instance ;) ; and
5) Again, no problem! :)
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Sorry if I came across as unhelpful and rude, No offence intended. Happy holidays.
I'm afraid some of us are almost paranoid about our sources - in truth at least 20/30 regular contributors know all the sites which will be of help but we all pretend that we have our "private" knowledge!
You obviously found the answer from what I was referring to as the certain site. There is another which most members would check for 500cc race cars. This is the one which AllanL was referencing. Sorry, can't help with any more :D
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Sorry if I came across as unhelpful and rude, No offence intended. Happy holidays.
No worries at all. Hope you are enjoying the holidays!