Author Topic: PJ - 405 - Mysterious "Abarth 1000" restored by Falk Burkert & Pattrick Planer  (Read 7909 times)

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Re: PJ - 405 - Fair Play Required.2
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2011, 04:31:54 PM »
Yes...

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Re: PJ - 405 - Fair Play Required.2
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2011, 04:33:14 PM »
Italian?

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Re: PJ - 405 - Fair Play Required.2
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2011, 04:34:12 PM »
Yes...quite known...

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Re: PJ - 405 - Fair Play Required.2
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2011, 04:36:20 PM »
still active?

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Re: PJ - 405 - Fair Play Required.2
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2011, 04:37:00 PM »
I know it's based on a Fiat, that's what my source says.

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Re: PJ - 405 - Fair Play Required.2
« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2011, 04:37:17 PM »

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Re: PJ - 405 - Fair Play Required.2
« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2011, 04:38:12 PM »
I know it's based on a Fiat, that's what my source says.
Then we have a match...but it's not badged as a Fiat...

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Re: PJ - 405 - Fair Play Required.2
« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2011, 04:38:43 PM »
based on a Fiat 850?

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Re: PJ - 405 - Fair Play Required.2
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2011, 04:40:03 PM »

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Re: PJ - 405 - Fair Play Required.2
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2011, 04:42:12 PM »
Not Fiat... Abarth?

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Re: PJ - 405 - Fair Play Required.2
« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2011, 04:43:26 PM »
could be abarth or lombardi

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Re: PJ - 405 - Fair Play Required.2
« Reply #36 on: September 21, 2011, 04:43:35 PM »
Abarth it is...these's a number after...bigger than 850...

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Re: PJ - 405 - Fair Play Required.2
« Reply #37 on: September 21, 2011, 04:44:14 PM »
Abarth 1000?

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Re: PJ - 405 - Fair Play Required.2
« Reply #38 on: September 21, 2011, 04:45:34 PM »
...and this was the easiest part:

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Re: PJ - 405 - Fair Play Required.2
« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2011, 04:47:22 PM »
...but before you tell me, it's not an official product, of course and it's not from Italy.
Just tell me the event for the point and I'll share what I found.

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Re: PJ - 405 - Fair Play Required.2
« Reply #40 on: September 21, 2011, 04:47:35 PM »
Wow, what a beauty!

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Re: PJ - 405 - Fair Play Required.2
« Reply #41 on: September 21, 2011, 04:49:45 PM »
i don't think it's an official abarth, because these stickers are put on it in 2008. Not visible on the original car.
The original designers/construcors are still a mystery.

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Re: PJ - 405 - Fair Play Required.2
« Reply #42 on: September 21, 2011, 04:50:36 PM »
...but before you tell me, it's not an official product, of course and it's not from Italy.
Just tell me the event for the point and I'll share what I found.
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Re: PJ - 405 - Fair Play Required.2
« Reply #43 on: September 21, 2011, 04:51:58 PM »
Event was hosted in Italy?

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Re: PJ - 405 - Fair Play Required.2
« Reply #44 on: September 21, 2011, 04:54:07 PM »
fachschule munchen restauration presentation

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Re: PJ - 405 - Fair Play Required.2
« Reply #45 on: September 21, 2011, 05:50:39 PM »
I hope you did not use GoogleImageSearch and I really would like to know how did you find it...but you are correct, of course.
I'll post here the few lines on that web page:

Im Rahmen der diesjährigen Vernissage zeigten die Schüler der Technikerklasse im Schwerpunkt
Gestaltung an der Städtischen Fachschule für Farb- und Lacktechnik in München ihre
Semesterarbeiten zum Thema „Weiß?Surprise!“.

Dabei ging es darum, sich mit der Farbe Weiß zu beschäftigen. Als Aufgabenstellung musste eine
Raumsituation geschaffen werden, die ein Wechselspiel mit Licht, Schatten und Struktur im weißen
Erscheinungsbild aufweist. Die Schüler zeigten sich sehr kreativ und entwickelten vielfältige
Gestaltungslösungen. Im folgenden eine kurze Beschreibung der Arbeiten:


Die beiden Schüler Falk Burkert und Pattrick Planer zeigten als „Surprise!“ die komplette
Restaurierung eines Fiat Abarth aus dem Jahre 1956 in leuchtendem Rot. Die aus GFK gefertigte
Karosserie wurde lacktechnisch vollständig neu aufgebaut. Entsprechend der historischen Vorlage
 wurden Schriftzug und Signet eingearbeitet. Präsentiert wurde das formschöne Auto passend zum
Thema in einer weißen Umgebung.

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Re: PJ - 405 - Fair Play Required.2
« Reply #46 on: September 22, 2011, 01:01:04 AM »
Is 1956 not a little early for a car like this? Where is the historical story behind the student project?

And yes, even for Germans it would have been incredible hard to find....

I hope the 'fair play required' note has been recognized....

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Re: PJ - 405 - Fair Play Required.2
« Reply #47 on: September 22, 2011, 07:33:59 AM »
I used google, only after you already told us it was an Abarth.
No point for the event, that's okay.

But, the event doesn't say anything about who built/designed this car...
The students didn't built it, only restored it, and the Abarth stickers are probably just for show reasons.

BTW, I found my pictures years ago in a magazine, but the magazine didn't mention a make, only that it was 1966 fiat based.

Where did these students find the car? Who built/designed it?? Lombardi?

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Re: PJ - 405 - Fair Play Required.2
« Reply #48 on: September 22, 2011, 07:50:23 AM »
I used google, only after you already told us it was an Abarth.
No point for the event, that's okay.

But, the event doesn't say anything about who built/designed this car...
The students didn't built it, only restored it, and the Abarth stickers are probably just for show reasons.

BTW, I found my pictures years ago in a magazine, but the magazine didn't mention a make, only that it was 1966 fiat based.

Where did these students find the car? Who built/designed it?? Lombardi?
Very generous!!!  :noid:

Limo,

first of all I have a certain respect that you are honest enough to admit cheating in this case. Thanks for that!

It's okay when you are using GoogleImageSearch for your private use and of course it's okay when you use it here if you privately want to know the ID of a car, but please do NOT answer then, it's not fair and unsportmanslike and a complete killjoy! Especially considering Paul Jaray's initial post!

The puzzle was about to declared as solved not until the event should have been guessed.

I'm seriousely thinking about banning you from my own posted puzzles from now on!  :-\

And I'm going to ask from time to time every puzzler exactly how he/she has solved my puzzles via PM.
Apologize for that, but we can't go on like that!

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Re: PJ - 405 - Fair Play Required.2
« Reply #49 on: September 22, 2011, 08:22:36 AM »
Limo, I have to agree with Allemano.
To use GoogleImageSearch and answer to get the point is not forbidden like is not forbidden to play chess with a 3-year old kid...it's an unwritten rule we all feel obliged to respect.

I'd like to know more about this car...I'll leave it open for a while and I'll decide about the points.