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grob 2011_12_03 (05) a shrinked TA..
« on: December 03, 2011, 12:37:44 PM »
Who knows any provable facts about this fabulously shrinked Citroen Traction Avant?

I know it must be a children´s car, but I´d really like to know more about it as I don´t know anything so far...
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Re: grob 2011_12_03 (05) a shrinked TA..
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2011, 12:26:55 PM »
Ready for an expertise...

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Re: grob 2011_12_03 (05) a shrinked TA..
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2011, 09:15:47 AM »
Hmm, let´s see what the professionals might know.

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Re: grob 2011_12_03 (05) a shrinked TA..
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2011, 12:47:52 PM »
It 's only a hint: it must have been at the same shop where your recent puzzle picture showing the Citroen 11 CV Marchand was taken, as in both pictures there is the same house:

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Re: grob 2011_12_03 (05) a shrinked TA..
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2011, 06:11:20 PM »
Not bad Sherlock  :o

So, what do you think it is?

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Re: grob 2011_12_03 (05) a shrinked TA..
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2012, 03:28:34 PM »
Not bad Sherlock  :o

So, what do you think it is?

Institutions Marchand were located at the corner of Pierre Corneille and Fénelon street in Lyon

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Re: grob 2011_12_03 (05) a shrinked TA..
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2012, 03:43:09 PM »
No longer there, quel dommage!   :(

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Re: grob 2011_12_03 (05) a shrinked TA..
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2012, 03:56:37 PM »
It is perhaps not Marchand but Splendilux?

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Re: grob 2011_12_03 (05) a shrinked TA..
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2012, 03:46:29 PM »
Nobody can tell, som this goes off to the black hole...

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Re: grob 2011_12_03 (05) a shrinked TA..
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2012, 07:55:45 AM »
Exposition de voitures
Palais de la foire
quai Achille Lignon _ Lyon

( with an other traction ,perhaps Splendilux )

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Re: grob 2011_12_03 (05) a shrinked TA..
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2012, 08:00:07 AM »
Photo of TA Letourneur & Marchand was from the same exposition !

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Re: grob 2011_12_03 (05) a shrinked TA..
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2012, 02:23:55 AM »
Yes, I had both of those photos on my HDD and I know of the connection.

But we still do not have a name of the manufacturing company.

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Re: grob 2011_12_03 (05) a shrinked TA..
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2017, 12:05:48 AM »
Ansart & Teisseire. AEAT Coachbuilder?

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Re: grob 2011_12_03 (05) a shrinked TA..
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2017, 09:57:40 AM »
Could be - can you kind of prove your guess?

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Re: grob 2011_12_03 (05) a shrinked TA..
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2017, 10:40:38 AM »
I've found this 2 pictures, the first is about
"During the official French visit of Britain’s King George VI and his wife Queen Elizabeth from 19 to 22 July 1938, their daughters, Elizabeth and Margaret, were presented with two dolls, called Marianne and France, by French girls as part of a national fund-raising initiative.
Along with beautiful clothes designed by top Parisian fashion designers, each of the dolls came with her own Traction Avant cabriolet with a personalised number plate".
 And the second
"the made-to-measure production of the models – with right-hand drive, naturally – was entrusted to the AEAT coachbuilder firm, which worked from nature.
The coachbuilders are photographed here with their model in the courtyard of the company’s workshop in Neuilly. The car on the left is light green and the one on the right is blue"

So I guess, they could possibly could built it, too

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Re: grob 2011_12_03 (05) a shrinked TA..
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2017, 11:30:55 AM »
OK - wonderful photos and wonderful model cars.

Still this is no proof for me butr a strong hint and a big possibility that you might be right.

Those two wonderful convertibles are still scaled down a bit more than the puzzle car... :-\

But thank you so much for sharing the two photos!

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Re: grob 2011_12_03 (05) a shrinked TA..
« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2018, 04:35:21 PM »
Can hardly read on the posters "Seul L'Antivol AG Plager" (Only L'Antivol AG Trim pieces). And this picture is associated to Charles Meysson, Architect, 1869-1947, apparently related to Foire internationale de Lyon location builder
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Re: grob 2011_12_03 (05) a shrinked TA..
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2018, 10:42:00 AM »
Of course those are hints - only the shrinked TA looks stock, so I doubt the conversion part company has built it...

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Re: grob 2011_12_03 (05) a shrinked TA..
« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2023, 12:02:18 PM »
Some french site says it's a Marcel Renaud's work

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Re: grob 2011_12_03 (05) a shrinked TA..
« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2023, 02:35:40 PM »
That refers to the full size car at the right!

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Re: grob 2011_12_03 (05) a shrinked TA..
« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2023, 02:42:31 PM »
I don't know because is a thread about kid cars

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Re: grob 2011_12_03 (05) a shrinked TA..
« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2023, 02:58:53 PM »
Anyhow the text still says that the right hand car is by Marius Renard (not Renaud!). See here for confirmation: https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2011-39/solved-mjw-459-citroen-by-marius-renard

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Re: grob 2011_12_03 (05) a shrinked TA..
« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2024, 10:22:31 AM »
Mézille et Marchand, Lyon?

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Re: grob 2011_12_03 (05) a shrinked TA..
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2024, 06:08:00 AM »
I don’t know the solution myself and try to find out here…