Author Topic: PJ - 384 - Black Hole Candidates (Read 14495 times)

Paul Jaray · « **on:** March 08, 2011, 08:27:36 AM »

I've got some cars I found around in some magazines or in some websites.
There was no info with the pics or I did not had the time to look for more.
I realized that there is a bunch of people here who is surprisingly discovering them one by one...
Why don't let them find some more?
Many points await you...but it won't be easy.
I know some details for some of these vehicles.

Solutions (and clues):

1-SOLVED - 1919 Electricar BY Armand Couaillet Wendax x2
2-SOLVED - Biblex 1925, Wendax
3- CLUES: french, 30s.
4- SOLVED - Wesnigk Muster D Motordreirad Wendax
5- SOLVED - Warner Bros. Special Tom_I & Wendax
6- SOLVED - Wijchman, built bij Wijchman from Zonhoven Limo
7- SOLVED - Stimson Honda - Quiller
8- SOLVED - 1933 Stutz Pak-Age-Kar Woodinsight
9- SOLVED - 1947 Brush Electrical wagonette Wendax
10- SOLVED - 1935 Mercedes-Benz 170 by Erdmann & Rossi Wendax
11- SOLVED - Monsieur Mathevet's Panhard Wendax
12- SOLVED - VW-1500 Special by Petterson, 1967 Dzima1985?
13- SOLVED - DFP NSU 1972 dzima1985
14- SOLVED - Renault Alpine A 310 Molinari Gr. 4 Wendax
15-SOLVED - Jaguar XKE Luciano Sarma - Oguerrerob
16-SOLVED - Six-whheled Opel Manta for the German movie "Manta - Der Film" Wendax

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #1 on:** March 08, 2011, 08:27:50 AM »

Quiller · « **Reply #2 on:** March 08, 2011, 08:43:34 AM »

I've got a feeling that (7) is a Barry Stimson creation (possibly on Honda Acty)

Wendax · « **Reply #3 on:** March 08, 2011, 08:45:19 AM »

#4 is Hexe with BMW engine. I'll have to look up more details tonight.

#10 is a 1935 Mercedes-Benz 170 V with body by Erdmann & Rossi. It was not allowed to carry the Mercedes star, so it has a Erdmann & Rossi emblem on the radiator.

Wendax · « **Reply #4 on:** March 08, 2011, 08:49:49 AM »

#16 Six-whheled Opel Manta with two steered front axles 13" BBS wheels, 15" BBS wheels at the rear axle, built for the German movie "Manta - Der Film"

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #5 on:** March 08, 2011, 08:53:43 AM »

Quote from: Quiller on March 08, 2011, 08:43:34 AM

I've got a feeling that (7) is a Barry Stimson creation (possibly on Honda Acty)

My source reports that is an Honda modified by a British Design consultant...and I think I can read the name, now!
Is this the Honda Open 4, then?

Wendax · « **Reply #6 on:** March 08, 2011, 09:03:17 AM »

#11 is a Panhard (PL17?) rebodied around 1960 by the uncle of a Bernard who posted quite a lot of pics of this car. The car was last seen around 1984 as a wreck in Ecrosne.

Oguerrerob · « **Reply #7 on:** March 08, 2011, 09:08:36 AM »

2. Tricycle aluminum body

Wendax · « **Reply #8 on:** March 08, 2011, 09:19:01 AM »

#14 looks like a rebodied Renault Alpine A 310 V6, Swiss licence plate, on a French supermarket car park

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #9 on:** March 08, 2011, 09:19:29 AM »

Quote from: Wendax on March 08, 2011, 08:45:19 AM

#4 is Hexe with BMW engine. I'll have to look up more details tonight.

#10 is a 1935 Mercedes-Benz 170 V with body by Erdmann & Rossi. It was not allowed to carry the Mercedes star, so it has a Erdmann & Rossi emblem on the radiator.

#4 I'll wait.

#10 I knew it seemed familiar...is there a front view of this car?

Quote from: Wendax on March 08, 2011, 09:03:17 AM

#11 is a Panhard (PL17?) rebodied around 1960 by the uncle of a Bernard who posted quite a lot of pics of this car. The car was last seen around 1984 as a wreck in Ecrosne.

That is what I have too...are there any updates? 'Bernard's uncle' is not enough...

Quote from: Oguerrerob on March 08, 2011, 09:08:36 AM

2. Tricycle aluminum body

Again I'd like to know more...

Quote from: Wendax on March 08, 2011, 08:49:49 AM

#16 Six-whheled Opel Manta with two steered front axles 13" BBS wheels, 15" BBS wheels at the rear axle, built for the German movie "Manta - Der Film"

Good! You know who made it?

Quote from: Wendax on March 08, 2011, 09:19:01 AM

#14 looks like a rebodied Renault Alpine A 310 V6, Swiss licence plate, on a French supermarket car park

I can add a back view.

Limo · « **Reply #10 on:** March 08, 2011, 11:21:57 AM »

No. 6 is a belgian car, i can look it up tonight for the name of the maker.

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #11 on:** March 08, 2011, 11:24:47 AM »

Quote from: Limo on March 08, 2011, 11:21:57 AM

No. 6 is a belgian car, i can look it up tonight for the name of the maker.

Yes! Single-cylinder air-cooled motorcycle engine...Locked for you!

Wendax · « **Reply #12 on:** March 08, 2011, 11:25:07 AM »

#2 is the Biblex from 1925, a German threewheeler one-off, built in Thuringia. The engine is unknown.

Limo · « **Reply #13 on:** March 08, 2011, 11:25:19 AM »

No.12 is a car made in Sweden, it is based on a Volkswagen beetle, it was for sale in Germany, i tried to figure out who build it. I have pictures of the papers, the papers do not mention a name, only that it's made from fibreglass.

Wendax · « **Reply #14 on:** March 08, 2011, 11:35:58 AM »

#4 is the Wesnigk Muster D Motordreirad. It was built by engineer Erwin Wesnigk from Berlin from 1922 to 1926. Seven cars were built. The body panels were attached to a tubular aluminum frame. The engine was a single-cylinder 6 hp BMW engine, later ones had a single-cylinder 10 hp Kühne engine. The car weighed 195 kg and reached 70 km/h. I couldn't find the "Hexe" (witch) name right now. I know it is mentioned in other books. I will have a look next week-end.

Wendax · « **Reply #15 on:** March 08, 2011, 11:47:09 AM »

Quote from: Wendax on March 08, 2011, 08:49:49 AM

#16 Six-whheled Opel Manta with two steered front axles 13" BBS wheels, 15" BBS wheels at the rear axle, built for the German movie "Manta - Der Film"

It seems that at least two six-wheeled Mantas have been built, but since they were just built for the movie and not for sale, I don't know who did the modification.

Wendax · « **Reply #16 on:** March 08, 2011, 11:52:03 AM »

Quote from: Wendax on March 08, 2011, 08:45:19 AM

#10 is a 1935 Mercedes-Benz 170 V with body by Erdmann & Rossi. It was not allowed to carry the Mercedes star, so it has a Erdmann & Rossi emblem on the radiator.

To be correct, it is just a 170, not a 170V.

Wendax · « **Reply #17 on:** March 08, 2011, 11:55:38 AM »

Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 08, 2011, 08:27:36 AM

2-Biblex 1925, locked for Wendax for confirmation

You can find the confirmation here:

http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=15850.0

Oguerrerob · « **Reply #18 on:** March 08, 2011, 11:58:31 AM »

15. Jaguar XKE Luciano Sarma. Boss 429 engine Ford

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #19 on:** March 08, 2011, 12:12:33 PM »

Quote from: Limo on March 08, 2011, 11:25:19 AM

No.12 is a car made in Sweden, it is based on a Volkswagen beetle, it was for sale in Germany, i tried to figure out who build it. I have pictures of the papers, the papers do not mention a name, only that it's made from fibreglass.

It's locked for you untill your next reply about this car.

Quote from: Wendax on March 08, 2011, 11:35:58 AM

#4 is the Wesnigk Muster D Motordreirad. It was built by engineer Erwin Wesnigk from Berlin from 1922 to 1926. Seven cars were built. The body panels were attached to a tubular aluminum frame. The engine was a single-cylinder 6 hp BMW engine, later ones had a single-cylinder 10 hp Kühne engine. The car weighed 195 kg and reached 70 km/h. I couldn't find the "Hexe" (witch) name right now. I know it is mentioned in other books. I will have a look next week-end.

It's not an Hexe, then? Same source?

Quote from: Wendax on March 08, 2011, 11:52:03 AM

Quote from: Wendax on March 08, 2011, 08:45:19 AM
#10 is a 1935 Mercedes-Benz 170 V with body by Erdmann & Rossi. It was not allowed to carry the Mercedes star, so it has a Erdmann & Rossi emblem on the radiator.
To be correct, it is just a 170, not a 170V.

I'll fix it...

Quote from: Wendax on March 08, 2011, 11:55:38 AM

Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 08, 2011, 08:27:36 AM
2-Biblex 1925, locked for Wendax for confirmation

You can find the confirmation here:
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=15850.0

If you say that's your source, your word is more than enough.

Quote from: Oguerrerob on March 08, 2011, 11:58:31 AM

15. Jaguar XKE Luciano Sarma. Boss 429 engine Ford

Very good!

Wendax · « **Reply #20 on:** March 08, 2011, 12:20:35 PM »

Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 08, 2011, 12:12:33 PM

Quote from: Wendax on March 08, 2011, 11:35:58 AM
#4 is the Wesnigk Muster D Motordreirad. It was built by engineer Erwin Wesnigk from Berlin from 1922 to 1926. Seven cars were built. The body panels were attached to a tubular aluminum frame. The engine was a single-cylinder 6 hp BMW engine, later ones had a single-cylinder 10 hp Kühne engine. The car weighed 195 kg and reached 70 km/h. I couldn't find the "Hexe" (witch) name right now. I know it is mentioned in other books. I will have a look next week-end.
It's not an Hexe, then? Same source?

Forget the Hexe right now. The Wesnigk data come from the Metternich book as well. If I find a further name, I'll tell you. For the moment I think that my memory played a trick on me with "Hexe".

Wendax · « **Reply #21 on:** March 08, 2011, 01:02:09 PM »

Is #9 a Morrison D1?

Limo · « **Reply #22 on:** March 08, 2011, 06:22:52 PM »

About #12:
Your right answer is maybe Vokaro.
In fact it is still an unkwown swedish kitcar, built in 1967.
The seller said that he would call it a Vokaro when he did not succeed to find the name of the real builder because he needed a name to get german papers and licenseplates for the car...

woodinsight · « **Reply #23 on:** March 09, 2011, 02:41:36 AM »

#8 - Pak-Age-Kar?
#9 - Morrison Electricar?

Wendax · « **Reply #24 on:** March 09, 2011, 02:58:50 AM »

woodinsight is right with #8. It is the 1933 Stutz Pak-Age-Kar.

Came a few minutes too late

(But my Morrison guess on #9 was first

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Author Topic: PJ - 384 - Black Hole Candidates (Read 14495 times)