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Re: Enigma Variations (Racing edition)
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2013, 04:31:14 PM »
Enigma 12 added.

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Re: Enigma Variations (Racing edition)
« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2013, 03:31:43 PM »
#10: Trenkel Porsche Eigenbau?

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Re: Enigma Variations (Racing edition)
« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2013, 03:57:40 PM »
#10: Trenkel Porsche Eigenbau?

As said before, I don't know. But when I look at the Trenkel-Porsche we had in a group puzzle before (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=9143.msg69874#msg69874), I'd say it is a completely different car.

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Re: Enigma Variations (Racing edition)
« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2013, 04:01:39 PM »
Sorry, I meant 8...it was #10 in that group puzzle!

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Re: Enigma Variations (Racing edition)
« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2013, 04:26:01 PM »
That choice doesn't convince me either, sorry.

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Re: Enigma Variations (Racing edition)
« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2013, 11:33:59 AM »
#5 should looks very much like Gottfried Vollmer in his 1950 VW Special, either at Solitude or Schauinsland-Rennen:

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Re: Enigma Variations (Racing edition)
« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2013, 12:20:52 PM »
Sorry, neither driver, car nor place is right.

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Re: Enigma Variations (Racing edition)
« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2013, 09:53:41 AM »
Another picture of #8:

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Re: Enigma Variations (Racing edition)
« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2013, 10:59:09 AM »
No 12 looks very much like an Alta, possibly a 2 litre supercharged sports car rebuilt as an offset single-seater
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Re: Enigma Variations (Racing edition)
« Reply #34 on: December 23, 2013, 11:23:23 AM »
I need some kind of proof. The only thing I know is in which country this picture was taken (not UK).

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Re: Enigma Variations (Racing edition)
« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2014, 02:00:45 AM »
No5: Reichsbahn-VW which later became the Lok-Kollektiv Fahrzeug 1 VW
while
No10 is the Lok Kollektiv Fahrzeug No3 - those wheels are utterly recognisable
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Re: Enigma Variations (Racing edition)
« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2014, 03:56:36 AM »
No 12 looks very much like an Alta, possibly a 2 litre supercharged sports car rebuilt as an offset single-seater
I've got a photo of Alta 52S taken from much the same angle, and here (if it works) it is:
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Re: Enigma Variations (Racing edition)
« Reply #37 on: July 12, 2014, 05:29:49 AM »
You are right! I should have known, as I have several photos of this car on my HDD.

It shows Mr. Cormack on Alta (1496 ccm), starting no. 98 at the 1935 Großglocknerrennen:

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Re: Enigma Variations (Racing edition)
« Reply #38 on: July 12, 2014, 06:50:03 AM »
I've just checked Georgano's Motorsport tome - it was the first Alta single-seater, made in 1935 for A.J.Cormack in this offset style. 1486cc with chain-driven camshafts. I'm not surprised it was being used for a hillclimb - the engines would never last long enough for the road races of those days.
I must be right - that's what it says on Wikipedia

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Re: Enigma Variations (Racing edition)
« Reply #39 on: July 12, 2014, 09:29:03 AM »
We had a long thread about Altas a few years ago in another place:
http://forums.autosport.com/topic/63762-alta-racers/

Because that site doesn't host photos many of the illustations are no longer visible but there's a rear view of this car which I can't link here.
There is a little about 52S confirming it was delivered to A.J. Cormack in July 1935, it was in New Zealand 1953-1980s and was in the USofA when last seen I think.
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Re: Enigma Variations (Racing edition)
« Reply #40 on: July 12, 2014, 09:57:22 AM »
another photo:

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Re: Enigma Variations (Racing edition)
« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2014, 10:02:22 AM »
No5: Reichsbahn-VW which later became the Lok-Kollektiv Fahrzeug 1 VW
No, I have another name, and the driver/builder wasn't from Eastern Germany.

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Re: Enigma Variations (Racing edition)
« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2014, 10:05:05 AM »
No10 is the Lok Kollektiv Fahrzeug No3 - those wheels are utterly recognisable
That may be right. Do you have any proof?

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Re: Enigma Variations (Racing edition)
« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2014, 10:11:57 AM »
I've got a photo of Alta 52S taken from much the same angle, and here (if it works) it is:

It shows Mr. Cormack on Alta (1496 ccm), starting no. 98 at the 1935 Großglocknerrennen:

That is convincing me. All I knew was that the picture was taken in Austria. So it is one point each for Allan L and grobmotorix for identifying car and driver. Guys, you are great.

Here are the two pictures I have from that race:

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Re: Enigma Variations (Racing edition)
« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2014, 10:52:13 AM »
Nice photos!

I´ve retouched them a bit to thank you for a point I did not really expect:

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Re: Enigma Variations (Racing edition)
« Reply #45 on: September 08, 2014, 01:27:48 PM »
Another view on #7:

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Re: Enigma Variations (Racing edition)
« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2016, 08:29:55 AM »
This puzzle of unknown race cars has been resting on the Pros and Feature Writers board much too long. So open for all.

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Re: Enigma Variations (Racing edition)
« Reply #47 on: May 13, 2016, 03:25:15 AM »
Black Hole Racing

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Re: Enigma Variations (Racing edition)
« Reply #48 on: June 18, 2016, 11:59:08 AM »
Now I know what car #7 is.

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Re: Enigma Variations (Racing edition)
« Reply #49 on: December 19, 2016, 04:43:49 PM »
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