Topic: Djetset 1054

[Djetset]

What, at least, I can offer, is the nickname of the two-door-saloon: "Peanut"....
... and the additional Trueno- and Levin-versions: Zenki (until 1972) and Kouki (after 1972)...

Thanks for the extra input Fromwien, but none of those I'm afraid.

[Djetset]

If it was my puzzle I would move it up but exclude the involvement of the Pro who got involved with it at Expert level.,
Just my penn'orth!

Thank you for your thoughts Carnut, and I tend to agree, so I will move this up to the Pros now, but exclude a certain Pro from responding. So, now open to most other Pros...

[Djetset]

The Pro that tried to compromise this puzzle hasn’t been around for a while it seems, and no others have responded, so time to move up to the last level for this car’s model name...

[oko94]

the Puzzle car is not branded as a Corolla.

I've found the original puzzle picture and other pictures of the same car, which has a Corolla badge. 

[Djetset]

I'm sure we all occasionally post puzzles that we quickly regret posting! This is proving to be one of those 

As stated before, although this is clearly a second-generation Toyota Corolla (E20), the model I found had a different name and was branded with alternative badges, rather than Corolla. Frustratingly the image I found (from a small piece in an old 1970s Portuguese motoring magazine that I spotted - but didn't buy - at an autojumble some years ago) was of poor quality, but clearly illustrated that the Corolla badges had been replaced by the 'mystery name' badges, seemingly to offer a better-priced entry model for Toyota to compete more effectively with the locally-assembled Datsun 1200 (Sunny) that was a best-seller in that market at the time.

Very annoyingly, the photo I took at the time from the magazine page was saved onto an SD card that I have now found, but has been corrupted and not usable, so frustratingly I can't use that image here and I have trawled through the internet extensively to try and find an alternative photo, but with no success as yet.

Anyway, it is that other model name that I am looking for, and I will use this puzzle as a polite reminder to all please that the use of GIS is strictly forbidden here on AutoPuzzles. Thanks.

[oko94]

Publica ?

[Djetset]

Publica ?

No, it's not a name that has been used on other Toyota models AFAIK.

[oko94]

Is the name a Portuguese word ?

[oko94]

Anyway, it is that other model name that I am looking for, and I will use this puzzle as a polite reminder to all please that the use of GIS is strictly forbidden here on AutoPuzzles. Thanks.

Just to avoid any misunderstanding : Google Image Search (GIS) is allowed, but Google Search by Image (GSI or GSBI) isn't.

[Djetset]

OK, that’s news to me as I thought that any form of online image searching was not allowed as it makes it too easy, removes the challenge and need for car knowledge and expertise, plus it seems a bit like cheating. It may help to explain why some puzzles seem to get solved so quickly with few or no questions being asked!

[oko94]

Google Image Search is the regular keyword-based Google search, with results displayed as images instead of the default mixed-media results. You need to know what you're looking for, otherwise you won't solve any puzzle with it. It isn't cheating at all.

On the other hand, Google Search by Image is cheating as you only need to upload an image and Google will find the source, so zero knowledge is needed.

Back to topic : Is the name a Portuguese word ?

[Djetset]

Thanks for the advice. Searching online is not an area of expertise for me and I don’t have a clue about how to search for images as I am not particularly IT oriented or interested.

I don’t think the name of the Toyota is Portuguese, but it seems to be more of an ‘invented’ word,  incorporating a combination of words.

[gte4289]

Ordinarily by now I would have moved this puzzle up to the next level, but I've held it here longer with the Experts as the puzzle was compromised a few weeks ago by one of the Pros informing me of the image source to this puzzle, hence me being rather loathed to move it up a level.

So, I guess I have a few choices: I can either leave it here for a Rookie or Expert to eventually solve, move it up to the Pros but exclude the puzzler who has already identified the photo source and location, move it up and award him the point anyway if and when he gives the correct answer, provide the answer and move it into Solved without awarding a point, or simply delete it.

If anyone has any preference or alternative ideas, please let me know here and I will act accordingly. Thanks, and sorry again that this puzzle has been compromised.

If it was my puzzle I would move it up but exclude the involvement of the Pro who got involved with it at Expert level.,
Just my penn'orth!

Thank you for your thoughts Carnut, and I tend to agree, so I will move this up to the Pros now, but exclude a certain Pro from responding. So, now open to most other Pros...

The Pro that tried to compromise this puzzle hasn’t been around for a while it seems, and no others have responded, so time to move up to the last level for this car’s model name...

I'm confused by the above exchange.

• At no time did I "try to compromise this puzzle."
• The first sentence in my message to you began with, "I'm not going to play this one (even if it survives to 'Pro' level)..."

The first person to respond in this thread identified the car in the puzzle image as a Toyota Corolla; your immediate response was, "it's not a Corolla." Since then, several others have identified the car as a Corolla, but you have shot them all down. Seeing that you may have set yourself up for an uncomfortable situation down the road, I made an effort to help out by informing you that the car in the puzzle image was, in fact, branded as a Toyota Corolla, and by providing a link to the same set of images posted above by oko94. I fail to see how you could have interpreted my actions as "try[ing] to compromise this puzzle."

Generally, if someone has misidentified the vehicle in their own puzzle image, they would prefer be aware of that fact sooner rather than later. If anything, it gives them an opportunity to address the issue before others spend a great deal of time chasing after the wrong thing. In the present case, it gave you the opportunity to inform others that "For an easy point, name the make and model of this car please" did not refer to the actual car in the image, but to a similar car that you had once spotted in an old magazine.

As I stated at the outset, I will not attempt to solve this puzzle. And, to clarify my intention, pointing out the identity of the vehicle in the puzzle image was done for your benefit.

[Djetset]

As I've said before, this has proved to be one of those puzzles that I deeply regret posting! I am still struggling to find my (printed) proof, so rather than delete this puzzle (which is tempting!), I will move it into BH as anyone that solves this will deserve two points as it may prove tough!

[gte4289]

I've been reviewing older puzzles to note instances where a correct solution has been presented, but the puzzle creator is no longer around to declare it solved and award points. If a consensus of opinion among Editors is that one of these puzzles has been correctly identified, it's moved to 'Solved' and points awarded accordingly. This particular puzzle was an odd case, however, so I'm including the following synopsis and explanation:

Djetset intended to create a puzzle based on an alternatively-badged Toyota Corolla he'd once seen in a 1970s Portuguese magazine. Not having an image of that car, he located a photo of a Toyota Corolla online, blocked out the badge and registration plate, and then used that photo to create this puzzle. It was an unconventional basis for a AP puzzle, but members here are free to create whatever manner of puzzles they like. Unfortunately, the puzzle photo was presented without explanation or clarification of what actually needed to be identified in order to solve the puzzle and earn the point. Members were provided the puzzle photo and instructed to identify only the make and model "for an easy point."

As one might expect, the car in the photo was almost immediately identified as a Toyota Corolla. There was initial confusion as to the correct generation and model year (neither were required in the puzzle instructions), but the bigger issue soon became Dejetset's insistence that the puzzle car was not a Corolla. The thread eventually fell silent after a member posted unedited images of the exact car in the puzzle photo with the 'Toyota' and 'Corolla' badges visible.

Djetset responded sometime later, explaining the intended nature of this puzzle and expressing his regret at having created it in the first place. He said he'd considered deleting the puzzle, but decided to move it to the BH and offer two points for the solution instead.

Members were initially asked to identify only the make and model of the car in the photo. Alfa_Japan was the first to identify the car in the photo as a Toyota Corolla, and as such, we are awarding 1 point to Alfa_Japan. After Djetset raised the issue of the specific model series, fromwien was the first to identify the car in the photo as an E20 series (2nd generation) Toyota Corolla. For this, we are awarding 1 point to fromwien.

The puzzle will remain in the BH with 2 points available to the first member to correctly identify the alternative model name Dejetset was looking for. (Yes, a difficult thing to prove if Dejetset can't be contacted.)