Author Topic: Ubb 232 1951 Kurt Baum 's Volkswagen Eigenbau now with Alfa Romeo engine  (Read 1033 times)

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What car is this ?
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Re: Ubb 232
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2017, 03:42:51 PM »
Experts ?

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Re: Ubb 232
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2017, 12:27:50 PM »
Scampolo?
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Re: Ubb 232
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Re: Ubb 232
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2017, 02:24:55 PM »
is it east European?

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Re: Ubb 232
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2017, 03:55:32 PM »
Is it BMW-powered?
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Re: Ubb 232
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2017, 10:25:27 AM »
is it east European?
East European in former days yes

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Re: Ubb 232
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2017, 10:29:10 AM »

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Re: Ubb 232
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2017, 05:09:35 PM »
Is it an Alfa Romeo underneath the bodywork?

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Re: Ubb 232
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2017, 03:56:09 AM »
Is it an Alfa Romeo underneath the bodywork?
Yes it has now

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Re: Ubb 232
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2017, 07:01:37 AM »
So in its early days was it based on an east European vehicle like am EMW or was it a one off ?

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Re: Ubb 232
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2017, 01:44:07 PM »
A one-off  :)

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Re: Ubb 232
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2017, 05:06:07 PM »
was it from Czechoslovakia?

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Re: Ubb 232
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2017, 05:18:36 AM »

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Re: Ubb 232
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2017, 09:29:35 AM »
found it on a photo website. It says:

Custom race car, based Alfa Romeo and engine of BMW 328, 1951. Designer Karl Baum, pilot Willibald Heller. The Classic Days on Kurfuerstendamm.

I assume it is East German originally?

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Re: Ubb 232
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2017, 01:12:37 PM »
You are getting close, but my source says that the car doesn't have an Alfa Romeo chassis. It does have an Alfa engine now and some Wartburg parts as well and used to have a BMW engine, or at least a part was from BMW. The designer is not Karl Baum though, but the last name is correct !

So I would like to who designed the car and what is it based on for a point.

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Re: Ubb 232
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2017, 07:29:04 PM »
Sorry this is a Bing translation of a German Motorsport Magazine site's article about post war Avus- there was no photo just this article which clearly seems to refer to the car, described as BMW eigenbau.

It's an 1100 sports car self-construction of Kurt Baum (Grove Spitz) on VW, probably KdF-Wagen, used from 1951 at the latest under Heller to have enjoyed the BMW Enblem car bow for corresponding cylinder heads. Lighter has the car as too heavy in memory: a training accident left unscathed. Brighter, the first three rows of seats in a grandstand cashed at the Sachsenring where luckily nobody was sitting! in 1952 the car when the Wismut received a new body. The technology and thus the driving characteristics have not changed. With a much later the Alfasud engine, a BMW front suspension and shock absorbers from the Wartburg 353 back the vehicle exists until today

This is the original in German - is the word Hainspitz significant -I assume it is an area in Germany.?

Das soll ein 1100er Sportwagen-Eigenbau von Kurt Baum (Hainspitz) auf VW, vermutlich KdF-Wagen, sein, eingesetzt ab 1951. Spätestens unter Heller soll das BMW-Enblem am Fahrzeugbug auch für entsprechende Zylinderköpfe gestanden haben. Heller hat den Wagen als zu hecklastig in Erinnerung: ein Trainingsunfall ging glimpflich ab. Heller räumte auf dem Sachsenring die ersten drei Sitzreihen einer Tribüne ab, auf denen glücklicherweise niemand saß! 1952 erhielt der Wagen bei der Wismut eine neue Karosserie. Die Technik und damit die Fahreigenschaften wurden nicht geändert. Mit einem sehr viel später eingesetzten Alfasud-Motor, einer BMW-Vorderachse und Federbeinen aus dem Wartburg 353 hinten exisitiert das Fahrzeug bis heute.
 
This is it entered at Avus 1952   

 Sportwagen bis 1.500-ccm
9 Starter
1. (27) Arthur Rosenhammer / DAMW
2. (29) 'Helm' Glöckler / Porsche
3. (34) Kurt Baum / Hainspitz-BMW Eigenbau
(28) Kurt Straubel / DAMW (Streamliner) (Ausfall; Runde 6)
(23) Hans Fischhaber / Lancia Eigenbau
(26) 'Max' Wetzig / BMW Eigenbau
Rolf Kühn / ?

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Re: Ubb 232
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2017, 05:32:50 AM »
You got it ! Hainspitz is a town in the eastern part of Germany as far as I know. Well done, a point for you. The car was for sale recently, I attach a copy of the advert.
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Re: Ubb 232 1951 Kurt Baum's Volkswagen Eigenbau now with Alfa Romeo engine
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2017, 06:33:02 AM »
Between the VW and the Alfa engine, it was powered by a 1100 cc Fiat engine.

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Re: Ubb 232 1951 Kurt Baum's Volkswagen Eigenbau now with Alfa Romeo engine
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2017, 10:29:13 AM »
Yes and also some BMW parts, but then the topic name would be too long....