Author Topic: The Name Chain - CLOSED (Read 54358 times)

Wendax · « **Reply #800 on:** February 06, 2017, 05:39:23 AM »

Rinspeed sQuba

Carnut · « **Reply #801 on:** February 06, 2017, 06:52:37 AM »

Fiat Abarth 500 E2 Concept by Rinspeed

oko94 · « **Reply #802 on:** February 06, 2017, 06:57:51 AM »

Quote from: Carnut on February 06, 2017, 05:34:15 AM

Rinspeed EMS09 Engineered by Esoro

This is the 2009 Rinspeed iChange. It's not called "EMS09 Engineered by Esoro", even though it was indeed engineered by Esoro. Rinspeed concepts always have the list of all companies involved written on their body, but that doesn't mean it's part of their name.

Carnut · « **Reply #803 on:** February 06, 2017, 08:11:13 AM »

Confusing.
It's what it was described as on several sites.
Alternatively there's this one, which is described as 'Rinspeed Esoro ZeroEmission' on various sites, though it looks like Wendax's sQuba to me...

oko94 · « **Reply #804 on:** February 06, 2017, 08:15:54 AM »

My source is Rinspeed's official site, I reckon they know how their own cars are called !

oko94 · « **Reply #805 on:** February 07, 2017, 03:29:38 AM »

So shall we go back to Esoro Omekron ?

Otto Puzzell · « **Reply #806 on:** February 07, 2017, 04:27:23 AM »

Quote from: oko94 on February 07, 2017, 03:29:38 AM

So shall we go back to Esoro Omekron ?

No.

Per the rules, "Engineered by Esoro" is indeed written upon the car's exterior surface.

oko94 · « **Reply #807 on:** February 07, 2017, 04:42:49 AM »

I thought the rule was meant to be understood as "every part of the name has to be written on the car", which is not the same as "everything that is written on the car is part of the name".

On the Rinspeed iChange, all these words are written :
Eberspacher
111
M Division
Siemens
AEZ
Carl F. Bucherer
Strahle + Hess
Schoeller
Motorex
Harman International
Greenedge
Sharp
Xmobil
Pirelli
KGS
Engineered by Esoro.

Does it mean that any of these words is valid for the name chain ? Doesn't make sense to me.

oko94 · « **Reply #808 on:** February 07, 2017, 04:46:24 AM »

Quote from: Carnut on February 06, 2017, 06:52:37 AM

Fiat Abarth 500 E2 Concept by Rinspeed

Fiat, Abarth, E2 and Concept are not written on the car's body. The car's name is only Rinspeed E2, which makes it the third Rinspeed in a row.

Carnut · « **Reply #809 on:** February 07, 2017, 05:14:34 AM »

Quote from: oko94 on February 07, 2017, 04:46:24 AM

Quote from: Carnut on February 06, 2017, 06:52:37 AM
Fiat Abarth 500 E2 Concept by Rinspeed

Fiat, Abarth, E2 and Concept are not written on the car's body. The car's name is only Rinspeed E2, which makes it the third Rinspeed in a row.

Hmmm..
Rinspeed mainly modify cars; they are not (with exceptions!) manufacturers in their own right.
This E2 is based on a Fiat Abarth 500 and not sure Fiat would be too pleased if Rinspeed claim it's not and they made it..
However, I'll leave it up to Otto. I did look fully into this and on some sites it's called a Rinspeed E2 concept but on others a Fiat Abarth 500 E2 Concept by Rinspeed. I don't think I changed the caption of the photo, which also included Fiat Abarth. I can guarantee it will say Fiat on the car somewhere, even if only stamped on the bodywork rather than as part of the trim. This is a Fiat and was originallly built by them!

nicanary · « **Reply #810 on:** February 07, 2017, 05:42:42 AM »

I've just thought to myself - what would Denis Jenkinson have made of all this?

When is a Lotus a Lotus? When is it a John Player Special?

It's only a game, and it's Otto's game. No doubt about it - he has the final decision.

Otto Puzzell · « **Reply #811 on:** February 07, 2017, 06:27:59 AM »

Quote from: oko94 on February 07, 2017, 04:42:49 AM

I thought the rule was meant to be understood as "every part of the name has to be written on the car", which is not the same as "everything that is written on the car is part of the name".

The rule says this:

"If a trim or configuration designation is used as part of a car's name as posted, that designation must be displayed somewhere on the car’s exterior."

The interpretation that every part of a car's name (including the manufacturer) must appear on the car, is your interpretation - and not the rule, as written.

If sour grapes and nitpicking are to become the norm here, I will remind the pickers that participation in this puzzle is optional. If the prevailing wind of the puzzle become contentious or confrontational, I will end the puzzle, and divvy the points as I see fit.

Gentleman, I return you to the game.

nicanary · « **Reply #812 on:** February 07, 2017, 06:48:45 AM »

Quote from: Otto Puzzell on February 07, 2017, 06:27:59 AM

Quote from: oko94 on February 07, 2017, 04:42:49 AM
I thought the rule was meant to be understood as "every part of the name has to be written on the car", which is not the same as "everything that is written on the car is part of the name".

The rule says this:

"If a trim or configuration designation is used as part of a car's name as posted, that designation must be displayed somewhere on the car’s exterior."

The interpretation that every part of a car's name (including the manufacturer) must appear on the car, is your interpretation - and not the rule, as written.

If sour grapes and nitpicking are to become the norm here, I will remind the pickers that participation in this puzzle is optional. If the prevailing wind of the puzzle become contentious or confrontational, I will end the puzzle, and divvy the points as I see fit.

Gentleman, I return you to the game.

oko94 · « **Reply #813 on:** February 07, 2017, 07:02:02 AM »

My main point wasn't addressed by your answer Otto but let's move on.

EVE E2.

Carnut · « **Reply #814 on:** February 07, 2017, 07:27:21 AM »

Pininfarina CNR E2

Wendax · « **Reply #815 on:** February 07, 2017, 07:41:43 AM »

Pininfarina Spidereuropa

Carnut · « **Reply #816 on:** February 07, 2017, 08:47:36 AM »

Abarth 030 Pininfarina

Ehhxekt · « **Reply #817 on:** February 07, 2017, 11:57:52 AM »

Autobianchi A112 Abarth 70 HP

Wendax · « **Reply #818 on:** February 07, 2017, 12:00:03 PM »

Autobianchi Stellina

Carnut · « **Reply #819 on:** February 07, 2017, 12:45:37 PM »

I've found lots of advertisements for an Abarth Autobianchi A112, mostly For Sale in France.
Was it actually marketed in France as an Abarth, and later as an Abarth Lancia A112?
If it was I can post it!

oko94 · « **Reply #820 on:** February 07, 2017, 04:43:30 PM »

It has always been marketed as Autobianchi A112 Abarth in France, never as Abarth Autobianchi or Abarth Lancia. Even the Y10 was sold as an Autobianchi in France during the eighties.

Carnut · « **Reply #821 on:** February 08, 2017, 04:53:30 AM »

Quote from: oko94 on February 07, 2017, 04:43:30 PM

It has always been marketed as Autobianchi A112 Abarth in France, never as Abarth Autobianchi or Abarth Lancia. Even the Y10 was sold as an Autobianchi in France during the eighties.

Yes, and I've only just noticed it's exactly the same car posted by Ehhxekt...

Carnut · « **Reply #822 on:** February 08, 2017, 05:09:23 AM »

OTAS Autobianchi A112 KL:

nicanary · « **Reply #823 on:** February 08, 2017, 05:11:45 AM »

Quote from: Carnut on February 08, 2017, 04:53:30 AM

Quote from: oko94 on February 07, 2017, 04:43:30 PM
It has always been marketed as Autobianchi A112 Abarth in France, never as Abarth Autobianchi or Abarth Lancia. Even the Y10 was sold as an Autobianchi in France during the eighties.

Yes, and I've only just noticed it's exactly the same car posted by Ehhxekt...

That's what old age does..........

Wendax · « **Reply #824 on:** February 08, 2017, 06:41:27 AM »

Quote from: Carnut on February 08, 2017, 05:09:23 AM

OTAS Autobianchi A112 KL:

I hate to do that, because that's what makes this puzzle problematic, but was Autobianchi part of the name?

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