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Re: si_769
« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2025, 05:44:44 AM »
No.
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Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
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A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_769
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2025, 08:33:13 AM »
Brennabor?
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Re: si_769
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2025, 09:12:34 AM »
Benz?
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Re: si_769
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2025, 10:15:43 AM »
I have this photo signed as NAG. I'm wondering what kind of miracles
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Re: si_769
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2025, 10:45:20 AM »
My source is a book about the history of a car brand. I have no reason to doubt the attribution.
The problem should be solved once the puzzle has been solved, and I already have an idea.
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Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_769
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2025, 11:14:10 AM »
Hansa-Lloyd?
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« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2025, 12:21:08 PM »
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Re: si_769
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2025, 04:23:52 PM »
Quote from: Wendax on February 21, 2025, 11:14:10 AM
Hansa-Lloyd?
Yes, the mystery vehicle was built by Hansa-Lloyd. Locked for you.
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Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_769
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2025, 04:24:30 PM »
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Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
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A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_769
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2025, 05:34:33 PM »
Well, I still believe that the car is a NAG C4b. My guess was Hansa-Lloyd, because they formed the GDA together with Brennabor and NAG. But GDA did not believe in badge engineering. Au contraire they reduced the brand portfolios in order to avoid competition within the GDA. And I didn't find any traces of a NAG-like Hansa-Lloyd in my books, neither in Kubisch's "Hansa Lloyd", nor in Mayer's Lloyd book, nor in Neumann's "Norddeutsche Automobilpioniere".
Technically it would have been a Hansa-Lloyd 10/45 PS, but the only Hansa-Lloyd car in that period mentioned in literature is the 18/60 PS Treff-Ass.
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Re: si_769
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2025, 07:09:26 PM »
According to the Borgward book by Georg Schmidt, it is a Hansa Sportcabriolet Kompressor from 1924...
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Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_769
« Reply #36 on: Yesterday at 04:31:15 AM »
Schmidt's book was very nice when I bought it back in 1980 as it was one of the first books on this subject. But there are many errors, smaller ones and bigger ones, especially in the captions of the pictures. When I looked into my book I saw that I had corrected the wrong caption back then and identified the car as a NAG C4m.  ;D
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Re: si_769
« Reply #37 on: Yesterday at 04:38:57 AM »
Quote from: sichel on February 21, 2025, 04:23:52 PM
Quote from: Wendax on February 21, 2025, 11:14:10 AM
Hansa-Lloyd?
Yes, the mystery vehicle was built by Hansa-Lloyd. Locked for you.
By the time the car was built, Hansa was separated from Hansa-Lloyd again. So if Schmidt were right it would have been built by Hansa, not Hansa-Lloyd. The story of Hansa, Namag, Lloyd, Hansa-Lloyd, Goliath and Borgward is one of mergers, takeovers, separations and changing brand names.
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Re: si_769
« Reply #38 on: Yesterday at 05:38:51 AM »
There were two Hansa sports cars in 1924, the P8/36 and the P8/50 Sport, none of them supercharged though.
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Re: si_769
« Reply #39 on: Yesterday at 03:40:59 PM »
Thanks guys, now there's some light in the dark. It's a NAG type C4, I'll leave the lower case letter blank.
Since Fëdor was the first to bring NAG into play, I'll award the point to him.
Wendax receives a sichle-bee as thanks for his intensive background work.
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Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: SOLVED: si_769 - NAG - C4
« Reply #40 on: Yesterday at 04:13:57 PM »
Actually it was me who first said NAG C4
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Re: SOLVED: si_769 - NAG - C4
« Reply #41 on: Yesterday at 04:22:54 PM »
Sorry, today is probably not my day  :hail:, but the basket with the points is still full.
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Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: SOLVED: si_769 - NAG - C4
« Reply #42 on: Yesterday at 05:02:42 PM »
Thanks for the busy bee!
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