Author Topic: Solved: Wendax 3383 - Fiat 1100 Giardinetta (or Giardiniera) by Monterosa  (Read 691 times)

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For one point, please respond and identify this car.
« Last Edit: November 21, 2020, 06:52:52 AM by Wendax »

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Re: Wendax 3383
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2020, 04:51:22 AM »
Fiat 1500 Giardinera carrozzeria Viotti?

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Re: Wendax 3383
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2020, 04:55:10 AM »
It is a Fiat, but not a 1500 and not by Viotti.

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Re: Wendax 3383
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2020, 06:30:41 AM »
Fiat 1100 Giardinera. The Viotti version looks similar but indeed differes sin some details with the main one imo being the tailligfht light section. Therefore I would say Fiat 1100 Giardinera carrozzeria Monterosa?

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Re: Wendax 3383
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2020, 07:28:51 AM »
I have it as a Giardinetta instead of a Giardinera, but otherwise correct. One more point for you.

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Re: Solved: Wendax 3383 - Fiat 1100 Giardinetta by Monterosa
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2020, 07:37:56 AM »
Thanks for the point. Did Fiat use the name Giardinetta? I though Fiat only used Giardinera and Alfa used Giardinetta?

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Re: Solved: Wendax 3383 - Fiat 1100 Giardinetta by Monterosa
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2020, 07:54:02 AM »
Perhaps our Italian specialists can enlighten us.

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Re: Solved: Wendax 3383 - Fiat 1100 Giardinetta by Monterosa
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2020, 08:12:05 AM »
Viotti registered "Giardinetta" as their own trade-mark so only they were entitled to use it.
Hence Fiat and others had to invent their own word, which was "Giardinera"!

Here's the document registering the trade-mark to Viotti:

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Re: Solved: Wendax 3383 - Fiat 1100 Giardinetta by Monterosa
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2020, 08:17:09 AM »
Please note correct spelling is Giardiniera.
In Italy Giardinetta is much more common than Giardiniera.I had a Topolino Giardiniera, but for me it was
always La Giardinetta.

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Re: Solved: Wendax 3383 - Fiat 1100 Giardinetta by Monterosa
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2020, 08:21:24 AM »
Yes, in fact Viotto were so successful with their "Giardinetta" invention that it became generic, like "Hoover" for a vacuum cleaner.
So although such a woodie was referred to by all and sundry as a Giardinetta no manufacturer other than Viotti could actually officially name their product a Giardinetta!
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Re: Solved: Wendax 3383 - Fiat 1100 Giardinetta by Monterosa
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2020, 11:27:14 PM »
Thank you very much for the interesting information on the naming!

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Re: Solved: Wendax 3383 - Fiat 1100 Giardinetta by Monterosa
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2020, 11:35:34 PM »
The trademark paper looks "photoshopped" with the naming being crooked and with a different background colour, however that could very well be due to period limitations on establishing a uniform document or perhaps a picture was added to the form. Anyhow very interesting information.

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Re: Solved: Wendax 3383 - Fiat 1100 Giardinetta by Monterosa
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2020, 04:29:31 AM »
It's not a photoshop. It comes from Viotti's own archives and in the picture I have it looks like the word "GIARDINETTA" has been cut out and stuck on with glue.
Technology was a little less advanced back in 1946...!
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Re: Solved: Wendax 3383 - Fiat 1100 Giardinetta by Monterosa
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2020, 05:34:31 PM »
The title should be changed to Fiat 1100 Giardinera!
I don't think Monterosa called it a Giardinetta...
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Re: Solved: Wendax 3383 - Fiat 1100 Giardinetta by Monterosa
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2020, 05:40:37 PM »
Thanks for the interesting elaborations on this thread. Highly informative.

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Re: Solved: Wendax 3383 - Fiat 1100 Giardiniera by Monterosa
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2020, 06:38:37 AM »
Monterosa Giardinetta....
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Re: Solved: Wendax 3383 - Fiat 1100 Giardinetta (or Giardiniera) by Monterosa
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2020, 11:49:31 AM »
I saw in The Encyclopaedia of Italian Coachbuilders that the Monterosa cars were called 'Giardinetta'.
Did they then pay a royalty to Viotti?
Or did they just fly a kite?!
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