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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2023 => Topic started by: thorax on December 24, 2021, 06:33:41 AM

Title: Solved - THOR #262: ZANELLA, 175 Z Carga (Argentina)
Post by: thorax on December 24, 2021, 06:33:41 AM
make, year and country for one point
Title: Re: THOR #262
Post by: thorax on April 02, 2022, 03:51:29 PM
experts!
Title: Re: THOR #262
Post by: D-type on April 02, 2022, 06:09:00 PM
Is it Greek?
Title: Re: THOR #262
Post by: thorax on April 03, 2022, 10:04:28 AM
no
Title: Re: THOR #262
Post by: D-type on April 07, 2022, 11:22:36 AM
From a European country?
Title: Re: THOR #262
Post by: thorax on April 12, 2022, 12:12:49 PM
no
Title: Re: THOR #262
Post by: D-type on April 13, 2022, 05:06:19 PM
From India?
Title: Re: THOR #262
Post by: thorax on April 14, 2022, 02:38:43 PM
not from India
Title: Re: THOR #262
Post by: D-type on April 16, 2022, 05:12:43 PM
From another Asian country?
Title: Re: THOR #262
Post by: thorax on April 17, 2022, 05:58:40 PM
not from Asia
Title: Re: THOR #262
Post by: D-type on April 18, 2022, 04:35:25 PM
not Europe, not Asia.  Is it from South America?
Title: Re: THOR #262
Post by: thorax on April 19, 2022, 04:51:24 AM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THOR #262
Post by: 727 on June 15, 2022, 01:41:41 PM
Argentina?
Title: Re: THOR #262
Post by: thorax on June 15, 2022, 04:34:14 PM
yes
Title: Re: THOR #262
Post by: Rusty Chrome on September 12, 2022, 05:42:42 PM
VAGIRO Moto Cargo, 1959, Argentina
Title: Re: THOR #262
Post by: thorax on September 13, 2022, 05:04:56 PM
no
Title: Re: THOR #262
Post by: thorax on May 01, 2023, 09:58:44 AM
pros?
Title: Re: THOR #262
Post by: fromwien on May 01, 2023, 10:01:50 AM
Zanella 125, 1948, 1962?
Title: Re: THOR #262
Post by: luisps on May 02, 2023, 03:14:12 AM
ZANELLA, 175 Z Carga, with engine of 170 c.c. years 195...
Title: Re: THOR #262
Post by: thorax on May 02, 2023, 11:18:34 AM
ZANELLA, 175 Z Carga, with engine of 170 c.c. years 19..
locked for luips
Title: Re: THOR #262
Post by: luisps on May 03, 2023, 04:04:12 AM
There is no specific information on the start date of the production of the Z Carga vehicles by Zanella, apparently at the end of the 1950s some were made with chain transmission without differential. But in the 1960s, the manufacture of the model with 125 c.c engine and a differential already began according to an advertisement and a photo dated 1962. However, the manufacture of the Z 175 model seems to have not started until the 1970s, which was maintained until at least  1976
Title: Re: THOR #262
Post by: thorax on May 04, 2023, 05:52:48 AM
ok ok I think it's enought for a point
Title: Re: Solved - THOR #262: ZANELLA, 175 Z Carga (Argentina)
Post by: fromwien on May 04, 2023, 06:16:27 AM
make, year and country for one point
I am not fighting for a point however, I would like a few rules to be followed:
thorax asked for: MAKE? YEAR? COUNTRY?
Argentina?
COUNTRY found by '727'
Zanella 125, 1948, 1962?
MAKE and YEAR found by 'fromwien'
In my opinion, the puzzle was solved then, or have I understood anything wrong?

There wasn't questioned about the 'TYPE' of the vehicle anyway! 'luisps' made a commendable diligence task after the solution was already found, and never found the correct year.
Here is a picture of this vehicle from 'Zanella'-homepage.
I am not interested in collecting points, but correct solutions, and dislike point-snapping
Title: Re: Solved - THOR #262: ZANELLA, 175 Z Carga (Argentina)
Post by: D-type on May 04, 2023, 01:09:25 PM
Clearly thorax considers the cc to be part of the "make"
Title: Re: Solved - THOR #262: ZANELLA, 175 Z Carga (Argentina)
Post by: fromwien on May 04, 2023, 01:36:46 PM
Clearly thorax considers the cc to be part of the "make"
Even then, it would have been logical to assign the LOCK to the first responder who guessed part of the make and year correctly, rather than to the next responder, who only has to search further on the basis of the correct given partial answers. Or don't you think so?

Dear 'D-type', I remember very well, that you often pointed out to me to formulate exactly what I am asking for with my puzzles. Doesn't this also apply to other players? Or do you measure with different standards?
Title: Re: Solved - THOR #262: ZANELLA, 175 Z Carga (Argentina)
Post by: D-type on May 05, 2023, 09:59:34 AM
I don't want this to develop into a petty bickering contest.  Suffice to say that you would have answered "No" to "Zanella 125, 1948, 1962?" as it was the wrong model.  This would have been misleading as "Zanella" was correct.  It was in that context that I started to ask you what details you were looking for to avoid a repetition.

It appears to me that in this case thorax came on and saw two answers:
"Zanella 125, 1948, 1962?" and "ZANELLA, 175 Z Carga, with engine of 170 c.c. years 195..." and decided the latter was closer to the solution he wanted so locked it.  In the circumstances, I agree that the lock was a tad unfair to your good self.