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Solved: DAR 104: De Tomaso-Conrero (Alfa Romeo) 1961 Italian GP
« on: October 14, 2023, 06:59:10 AM »
As far as I know this particular combination only competed in one race.
Make (including engine), driver, race and year.
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Re: Solved: DAR 104: De Tomaso-Conrero (Alfa Romeo) 1961 Italian GP
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2023, 07:56:56 AM »
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Re: Solved: DAR 104: De Tomaso-Conrero (Alfa Romeo) 1961 Italian GP
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2023, 09:49:25 AM »
Italian GP 1961
Nino Vaccarella in a Scuderia Serenissima entered De Tomaso-Alfa Romeo

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Re: Solved: DAR 104: De Tomaso-Conrero (Alfa Romeo) 1961 Italian GP
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2023, 07:28:58 PM »
This is a bit awkward.  I can't say that your answer is wrong, but some people, including the source where I found this particular photo, give the engine has an alternative name.  Can you give the alternative?
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Re: Solved: DAR 104: De Tomaso-Conrero (Alfa Romeo) 1961 Italian GP
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2023, 03:28:42 PM »
The Serenissima entrys in the 61 Monza GP
#48 TRINTIGANT - Cooper Maserati T51
#50 VACARELLA - De Tomaso Conrero (Alfa)
entered by Scuderia Settocelli
#52 LIPPI - De Tomaso-OSCA
entered by I.de Tomaso
#54 BUSSINELLO - De Tomaso Conrero (Alfa)

Upto the French GP61 Serenissima used the OSCA powered De Tomaso (ex-F2 Chassis 001) Than they got a new Chassis (003) for the ALFA-Conrero powered car.
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Re: Solved: DAR 104: De Tomaso-Conrero (Alfa Romeo) 1961 Italian GP
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2023, 06:36:23 PM »
Conrero was what I was looking for.  Some of my references call it a De Tomaso-Alfa Romeo and some a De Tomaso-Conrero.  I suppose it's similar to Cosworth and Ford, when does the tuner modify the source engine enough to put his name to it?

Anyway, the point is yours
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Re: Solved: DAR 104: De Tomaso-Conrero (Alfa Romeo) 1961 Italian GP
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2023, 06:08:43 AM »
From Itanlian Wiki
Virgilio Conrero was a tuner of Alfa-engine, later he tunes cars like the OPEL GT. This car was entered at the Targe Florio in 1971 and 1972.
His tuned Alfa 4 Zyl. was first used by Gino Munaron in a Cooper T51 chassis at the 1961 Pau GP

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Re: Solved: DAR 104: De Tomaso-Conrero (Alfa Romeo) 1961 Italian GP
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2023, 06:21:31 AM »
The Sheldon/Rabagliati "Black Book" lists the engine as Alfa Romeo. Higham's history Car By Car also refers to it as Alfa but does mention Conrero's involvement in tuning the engine.
I must be right - that's what it says on Wikipedia

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Re: Solved: DAR 104: De Tomaso-Conrero (Alfa Romeo) 1961 Italian GP
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2023, 01:54:21 PM »
His tuned Alfa 4 Zyl. was first used by Gino Munaron in a Cooper T51 chassis at the 1961 Pau GP
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Re: Solved: DAR 104: De Tomaso-Conrero (Alfa Romeo) 1961 Italian GP
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2023, 04:09:49 AM »
I thought it may be of interest to publish the whole story about De Tomaso F1 #003 to avoid confusion with other De Tomaso F1 puzzles that possibly may come up in the future:
1) Image (taken in the beginnings of the 2000s) of the Alfa Romeo engine, De Tomaso Alfa Romeo F1, #003, 1961, without double ignition
2) Article: Conrero, Alfa Romeo, 1961 (sorry French text). Engine pictures of Gino Munarons Cooper T51 Alfa Romeo Conrero 1961
3) Another picture, Vaccarella, Italian GP 1961, ​​De Tomaso Alfa Romeo #003. It was Vaccarellas F1-debut and Wolfgang Berghe von Trips' last race
4) Racing history and specifications of chassis #003
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Re: Solved: DAR 104: De Tomaso-Conrero (Alfa Romeo) 1961 Italian GP
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2023, 09:54:52 AM »
racenumber of CONDOR - real name Luigi Bertocco - at Vallelunga was #42. He was a Ferrari employee and later went to Scuderia Serenissima.

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Re: Solved: DAR 104: De Tomaso-Conrero (Alfa Romeo) 1961 Italian GP
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2023, 11:38:04 AM »
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