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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2021 => Topic started by: sichel on September 24, 2021, 05:48:16 AM

Title: SOLVED: si_108 - Austria-Alpha -500cc - 1936
Post by: sichel on September 24, 2021, 05:48:16 AM
Well, have you seen this motorbike before? If so, you know what it's called, who built it and from which year the picture originates.
There is then a point for this.
Title: Re: si_108
Post by: sichel on October 02, 2021, 01:15:30 PM
Up
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Post by: sichel on October 09, 2021, 05:45:57 PM
Up again.
Title: Re: si_108
Post by: fromwien on October 10, 2021, 02:37:01 AM
British?
Title: Re: si_108
Post by: sichel on October 10, 2021, 04:09:32 AM
No. Possibly the base comes from the island. I have no information on this and in any case massive conversions were carried out. My source speaks of a self-built.
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Post by: fromwien on October 10, 2021, 04:28:52 AM
German homebuilt?
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Post by: sichel on October 10, 2021, 05:11:57 AM
No.
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Post by: fromwien on October 10, 2021, 06:10:39 AM
Never seen before, grope in the dark: French, may be?
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Post by: sichel on October 10, 2021, 06:14:25 AM
Sorry, but no. I hoped it would be little known. If it gets cleared up, you'll be surprised....
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Post by: fromwien on October 10, 2021, 06:32:21 AM
It's not British, German and French.. From anywhere in Eastern Europe?
Title: Re: si_108
Post by: sichel on October 10, 2021, 07:02:53 AM
No  :(
Title: Re: si_108
Post by: sichel on October 10, 2021, 07:40:25 AM
I cannot rule out a small series...
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Post by: fromwien on October 10, 2021, 07:49:35 AM
I cannot really imagine, but is it Italian?
Title: Re: si_108
Post by: sichel on October 10, 2021, 08:04:23 AM
No.
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Post by: fromwien on October 10, 2021, 10:05:32 AM
European?
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Post by: sichel on October 10, 2021, 10:12:27 AM
Yes.
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Post by: fromwien on October 10, 2021, 10:26:59 AM
Scandinavian?
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Post by: sichel on October 10, 2021, 01:34:31 PM
No
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Post by: fromwien on October 10, 2021, 02:51:46 PM
Benelux?
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Post by: sichel on October 10, 2021, 03:18:53 PM
No.
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Post by: fromwien on October 10, 2021, 03:40:11 PM
Not too many countries left: Swiss?
Title: Re: si_108
Post by: sichel on October 10, 2021, 04:31:13 PM
No.
Title: Re: si_108
Post by: fromwien on October 10, 2021, 05:14:07 PM
Austria?
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Post by: sichel on October 10, 2021, 05:36:42 PM
YES!!
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Post by: fromwien on October 10, 2021, 05:42:46 PM
Schneeweiss connection?
Title: Re: si_108
Post by: sichel on October 10, 2021, 06:37:24 PM
How I know, there is no connection. I'll check it tomorrow.
Title: Re: si_108
Post by: sichel on October 11, 2021, 06:20:22 AM
My sources didn't know any connection to M. Schneeweiss or to the dirt track scene.
Title: Re: si_108
Post by: fromwien on October 11, 2021, 07:07:55 AM
Gigant, Motorradbau Johann Teichert?
Title: Re: si_108
Post by: sichel on October 11, 2021, 08:16:38 AM
No.
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Post by: fromwien on October 11, 2021, 10:41:27 AM
As I am searching there, is this bike of the 30's?
Title: Re: si_108
Post by: sichel on October 11, 2021, 11:44:18 AM
Yes, it is. Locked for you, to go on searching.
Title: Re: si_108
Post by: fromwien on October 11, 2021, 03:57:13 PM
HMK?
Title: Re: si_108
Post by: sichel on October 11, 2021, 04:09:01 PM
No, but he town is correct. I guess I made you curious...
Title: Re: si_108
Post by: fromwien on October 11, 2021, 04:54:48 PM
Right, you made me more than curious..

May be 'Delta Gnom'? They did a lot of engine variants..

I am still thinking, the engine base is British (JAP) or possibly Swiss (MAG)
Title: Re: si_108
Post by: sichel on October 11, 2021, 05:12:23 PM
No, unfortunately not either. I do not have exact details of the base of the engine. I suspect neither JAP nor MAG.
PS: The drive of the mange igniter looks different.
Title: Re: si_108
Post by: fromwien on October 11, 2021, 06:08:29 PM
Messner?
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Post by: sichel on October 11, 2021, 06:11:24 PM
No
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Post by: fromwien on October 12, 2021, 02:08:00 AM
Austro-Alpha?
Title: Re: si_108
Post by: sichel on October 12, 2021, 03:36:58 AM
 :applause: :applause:
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Post by: sichel on October 12, 2021, 05:24:52 AM
Any idea to the production period and the cylinder capacity?
Title: Re: si_108
Post by: fromwien on October 12, 2021, 07:14:39 AM
I think Josef Illichmann raced the puzzle-bike after 1935. So: 1937/8? 496ccm?
(1935 he raced a bike with an 30°-V2-engine, self-built on an Puch-crankcase)
After WW II Josef Illichmann moved from Vienna to Altmünster (Upper Austria) and produced his famous rear suspensions for Puch-bikes
Title: Re: si_108
Post by: sichel on October 12, 2021, 01:39:40 PM
You are totaly right, apart from the fact that the name of the company  is Austria-Alpha in my sources. ;) So, one more point for you! Since Josef Illichmann had a foundry, the engine and gearbox were probably made by himself. It can actually only be the 500cc version, my source is from 1936. I add a description which says that the cylinder head is made of bronze, the gearbox has a foot shift and the cylinder head is supported on the front frame tube.
Title: Re: SOLVED: si_108 - Austria-Alpha -500cc - 1936
Post by: fromwien on October 12, 2021, 02:35:48 PM
At first thank you for this very interesting and challenging puzzle! Compliment!
I know about the two different names of the company: "Austria Alpha" and "Austro Alpha". There were als two different emblems..
I fear not to know which name is the right one. Keep on searching in historic magazines of the 30's.

The photo, taken in the streets of Vienna, is from 1938

To raise confusion, I added some pictures depending the name of the company