Author Topic: Solved: PN #1280 -- Fiat 90 HP "Constantinople" by Alexis Kellner, 1912 (Read 992 times)

pnegyesi · « **on:** September 01, 2019, 10:34:41 AM »

Please identify donor, coachbuilder and if possible year for a point

pnegyesi · « **Reply #1 on:** September 08, 2019, 01:50:28 AM »

Experts?

FrontMan · « **Reply #2 on:** September 08, 2019, 08:55:27 AM »

Stoewer?

pnegyesi · « **Reply #3 on:** September 08, 2019, 09:20:06 AM »

Fёdor · « **Reply #4 on:** September 08, 2019, 11:47:32 AM »

Germany
NAG

pnegyesi · « **Reply #5 on:** September 08, 2019, 11:48:38 AM »

partly German. Not NAG chassis.

Fёdor · « **Reply #6 on:** September 08, 2019, 02:06:29 PM »

Lloyd chassis

pnegyesi · « **Reply #7 on:** September 08, 2019, 10:59:57 PM »

Fёdor · « **Reply #8 on:** September 08, 2019, 11:32:10 PM »

Beckmann

pnegyesi · « **Reply #9 on:** September 09, 2019, 12:42:48 AM »

no (you did not ask an important question)

gte4289 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 09, 2019, 12:54:01 AM »

Let's try this another way: Alexis Kellner coachwork on a non-German chassis?

The puzzle car closely resembles the A. Kellner "Constantinopel" double phaeton below, but I have this one tagged as "1913 NAG 33/75 PS." If the puzzle car is not NAG (and not German), then Gräf & Stift?

pnegyesi · « **Reply #11 on:** September 09, 2019, 03:14:42 AM »

So far so good

I will tell you why it was named Constantinopel later

Locked for you to find the chassis.

It is not Gräf&Stift though

gte4289 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 09, 2019, 05:19:05 PM »

Austrian?

pnegyesi · « **Reply #13 on:** September 09, 2019, 11:15:20 PM »

the chassis was not from Austria

gte4289 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 10, 2019, 01:10:11 AM »

Rába/Praga Grand?

pnegyesi · « **Reply #15 on:** September 10, 2019, 04:34:07 AM »

the chassis was not from Czech/Hungary

gte4289 · « **Reply #16 on:** September 10, 2019, 04:48:31 AM »

Italian chassis?

pnegyesi · « **Reply #17 on:** September 10, 2019, 10:47:06 AM »

gte4289 · « **Reply #18 on:** September 10, 2019, 01:17:21 PM »

Fiat 2B?

pnegyesi · « **Reply #19 on:** September 11, 2019, 12:34:54 AM »

It is a Fiat, probably not a 2B as this Fiat had a claimed 90 hp power.

This car participated at the 1912 Budapest-Constantinople touring race hence its name.

gte4289 · « **Reply #20 on:** September 11, 2019, 02:20:27 AM »

Quote from: pnegyesi on September 11, 2019, 12:34:54 AM

This car participated at the 1912 Budapest-Constantinople touring race hence its name.

This car? You know, I had always assumed A. Kellner's "Constantinopel" coachwork style was named in honor of the Budapest-Constantinople tour, as I knew that Alexis Kellner himself had participated in the 2012 event. I also knew what Kellner drove in that event: a Fiat powered by a 6.6 liter, 6 cylinder, 90 horsepower motor. Yet, it hadn't occurred to me that this might be that exact car.

Quote from: pnegyesi on September 11, 2019, 12:34:54 AM

It is a Fiat, probably not a 2B as this Fiat had a claimed 90 hp power.

True. This was most likely a custom-built beast.

pnegyesi · « **Reply #21 on:** September 11, 2019, 03:42:19 AM »

Quote from: gte4289 on September 11, 2019, 02:20:27 AM

Quote from: pnegyesi on September 11, 2019, 12:34:54 AM
This car participated at the 1912 Budapest-Constantinople touring race hence its name.
This car? You know, I had always assumed A. Kellner's "Constantinopel" coachwork style was named in honor of the Budapest-Constantinople tour, as I knew that Alexis Kellner himself had participated in the 2012 event. I also knew what Kellner drove in that event: a Fiat powered by a 6.6 liter, 6 cylinder, 90 horsepower motor. Yet, it hadn't occurred to me that this might be that exact car.

Indeed, the puzzle car was photographed during the race. It was very unfit for the purpose and it got to Constantinople two days late

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Author Topic: Solved: PN #1280 -- Fiat 90 HP "Constantinople" by Alexis Kellner, 1912 (Read 992 times)