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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2018 => Topic started by: nicanary on November 11, 2017, 07:42:27 AM
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What is this car, and what was the engine?
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Experts?
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is the engine vw or Porsche?
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is the engine vw or Porsche?
Neither of those.
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That's the first instinct destroyed! Is it a modified version of a known manufactured racecar type, or a one off?
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That's the first instinct destroyed! Is it a modified version of a known manufactured racecar type, or a one off?
It's a one-off, but the builder made other cars.
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I think it is a left hooker - is it European?
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I think it is a left hooker - is it European?
No.
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USA?
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USA?
Yes.
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it known by the builder's name, or is it a small manufacturer like Beach or Legrand.
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it known by the builder's name, or is it a small manufacturer like Beach or Legrand.
It's named after the builder. In fact I have found out he built up to 6 of these cars, so I suppose you could call him a small manufacturer, but I think they were built on request rather than as a production run.
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Is the motive power something other than an American V8.
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Is the motive power something other than an American V8.
Yes.
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European engine?
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European engine?
Yes.
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McKee ?
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McKee ?
Not a McKee.
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Alfa engine?
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Alfa engine?
No.
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British engine?
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British engine?
Yes.
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Lotus twin cam?
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Lotus twin cam?
Not a Lotus engine.
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Cosworth?
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Cosworth?
No. You're on the right lines in a way - both Lotus and Cosworth were associated with the maker of the engine.
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Ford?!
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Ford?!
Yes, that was the engine fitted to this car. However, it was in slightly unusual form.
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Not a mid-engined V4?
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Not a mid-engined V4?
Not a V4. Mid-engined by the looks of things.
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It is not one of the 105e engined Begras is it?
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It is not one of the 105e engined Begras is it?
Now we're getting somewhere (sort of). The engine was a 105E unit, but it's not a Begra. Work out what race series and you may solve this.
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Well I assume we are talking about early-mid 1960s and the SCCA G-Modified class. This had been the province of Lotus 11s and Lola mk1s until a Merlin came along. In the meantime Begras and the associated Beach and Grady cars were quite successful, but if it's not them I am struggling. Is it a Bobsy?
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Well I assume we are talking about early-mid 1960s and the SCCA G-Modified class. This had been the province of Lotus 11s and Lola mk1s until a Merlin came along. In the meantime Begras and the associated Beach and Grady cars were quite successful, but if it's not them I am struggling. Is it a Bobsy?
It's not a Bobsy. We are indeed in the SCCA arena, but it's not G-Mod even if the choice of engine would suggest so. I said there was something unusual!
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So was the capacity altered to fit it into another class - eg reduced to fit H-mod.
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So was the capacity altered to fit it into another class - eg reduced to fit H-mod.
Bingo! That's exactly what happened. Now - who built this car?
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Not found the picture, but in the most obscure place imaginable, found reference to the late Frank Davis who used to race one of Don Millers 42 sports cars with a Ford engine sleeved to 850cc(?) - from about 1963.
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Not found the picture, but in the most obscure place imaginable, found reference to the late Frank Davis who used to race one of Don Millers 42 sports cars with a Ford engine sleeved to 850cc(?) - from about 1963.
Not him I'm afraid.
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I have searched every site I know, and I have an amazing knowledge of SCCA H-mods now, but they all have Saab or Crosley engines. Where have I gone wrong?
Were the builder's other cars also H-Mods?
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I have searched every site I know, and I have an amazing knowledge of SCCA H-mods now, but they all have Saab or Crosley engines. Where have I gone wrong?
Were the builder's other cars also H-Mods?
The source of my photo suggests that 6 cars were built, all to H-mod spec. There is no mention of other cars built by him for other formulae, although this could be the case. I don't know.
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Was this the only one with the Ford engine?
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Was this the only one with the Ford engine?
I believe some of them had other engines.
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Just can't find this so I must resort to firing odd h-mod names at you that contain what looks like a builders name - does it begin with a letter between a-k?
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Just can't find this so I must resort to firing odd h-mod names at you that contain what looks like a builders name - does it begin with a letter between a-k?
;D Yes.
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Hall-scott?
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Bryan or Brian?
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Neither pf those, but alphabetically the name you require is very shortly after Bryan.
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Thank you for the hint! If it begins with C I only know two cars for which I can find no real details - Clovis and Case - and I have no confidence in either......
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or Cleary?
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None of those three, I'm afraid.
(I'm also afraid that I have got this all wrong. You are clearly searching all records of H-mod cars and have not identified a car of which 6 were supposedly made. This has got me worried that I have misconstrued the text of my source. However, I have done a google search using the name of the maker, and my information does seem correct. In the same source article, someone else claims to have another of his cars, and uses a name for the car which is hypenated, and also includes the name of another H-mod maker, i.e. he calls his car a ????????-other car. However, it seems that this latter name only relates to the bodywork, and not the base car. I doubt that this garbled info will be a lot of use!)
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Aha, a mystery ...... Well I know 4 hyphenated h-mods : Jones-Devin
Jones-deCamp
Edwards-Blume
Hall- Scott
I can find nothing about the Hall-Scott and the others were, I thought. front engined. Is one of them the other car you mention?
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Aha, a mystery ...... Well I know 4 hyphenated h-mods : Jones-Devin
Jones-deCamp
Edwards-Blume
Hall- Scott
I can find nothing about the Hall-Scott and the others were, I thought. front engined. Is one of them the other car you mention?
None of those is the puzzle car. It begins with the letter C as you have ascertained. The "other" car is C-S and the S is quite well-known. As I have said before, it has nothing much to do with my puzzle.
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Found it at last - it is a Coffield mk 2 and the other car, which looks nothing like it, is the Coffield-Sceptre. I had been on the right website all along - but not in the right area. Amazingly they did not list it in their own list of h-mods ....... which I now reproduce in my sleep.
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Found it at last - it is a Coffield mk 2 and the other car, which looks nothing like it, is the Coffield-Sceptre. I had been on the right website all along - but not in the right area. Amazingly they did not list it in their own list of h-mods ....... which I now reproduce in my sleep.
;D. Well done TT. I know how you feel. You think you know all the sites, but something comes along and you think you've gone mad. I stumble on these puzzle subjects more by chance than intention.
Indeed I think that Coffield-Sceptre is probably a Coffield chassis with what is clearly a Sceptre body fitted. I can't find much about the builder Paul Coffield, although he is recorded racing a Centaur. It's actually a MkIII but you spent so long on the puzzle I'm not going to be pedantic.