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Ubb115 Hispano-Suiza A11 (2nd version) 1951/1952
« on: October 22, 2013, 04:14:31 PM »
What's this and from when ?
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Re: Ubb115
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2013, 06:13:23 PM »
It's the last Spanish Hispano Suiza A11 (1952-53)

The car must be equipped with a boxer engine but the prototype had a Simca Aronde engine.

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Re: Ubb115
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2013, 06:52:38 PM »
Well, I'm a bit confused. Your pic clearly says it is a Hispano-Suiza and my source calls it another make and model. But there is a clear link with Hispano. So I'm not sure what to do now. I'll lock it for you, could you try to find the make and model I refer to ? If it is still unclear we let the Pro's have a look.
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Re: Ubb115
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2013, 07:22:11 PM »
Hispano was sold in 1946 to INI (Instituto Nacional de Industria).

As Pegaso was part of this company, perhaps you know the car as a Pegaso like the type 66 Hispano truckcs which were sold as Pegaso.

The car is present in the movie " España País de Automoción I", Documentary, 2006.

You can see the Hispano emblem on this picture :

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Re: Ubb115
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2013, 07:35:39 AM »
On internet I have seen the same pic as you have posted, looks indeed as a Hispano-Suiza. I found this text on a reputable Spanish website, saying that the first Pegaso was a sedan with the modelname Z-101, but it never made it to production. And unfortunately there is no photo included :

El primer automóvil Pegaso, diseñado en el CETA, se denominó Z-101. Se trataba de una berlina de altas prestaciones que estaba equipada con un motor de 12 cilindros en V de 4,5 litros de capacidad. Pero no llegó a construirse. El segundo proyecto ya era un coche deportivo, una actualización de los conceptos que Wifredo Ricart plasmó, 22 años antes, en los Ricart 226 y 266: un vehículo rápido que incorporase las soluciones técnicas más avanzadas y el empleo de los materiales de más alta calidad de la época; materiales que aunasen resistencia y ligereza. Y así se desarrolló el Pegaso Z-102.

And I found that the Hispano-Suiza A11 has been a topic before, but this car looks slightly different :

http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=23154.msg250877#msg250877

So I move it the Pro's now and see what they say. If it proves to be a Hispano-Suiza, I will award you the point.
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Re: Ubb115 Hispano-Suiza A11 or Pegaso Z-101 ???
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2013, 07:38:09 AM »
Can the pros tell if this car is a Hispano A11 or Pegaso Z-101 ? Please also read the replies so far
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Re: Ubb115 Hispano-Suiza A11 or Pegaso Z-101 ???
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2013, 07:53:13 AM »
Hispano-Suiza A11.
When Wilfredo Ricart came to Spain to form Enasa, he looked for an agreement with Hispano Suiza to use his factories in La Sagrera and gain time to start production of industrial vehicles. H-S moved to Hostafranchs (Barcelona) keeping working for the Army where they start to work on a new project, A11 with plans caming from the French Hispano-Suiza.
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Re: Ubb115 Hispano-Suiza A11 or Pegaso Z-101 ???
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2013, 10:58:21 AM »
Quote from: Paul Jaray on October 24, 2013, 07:53:13 AM
Hispano-Suiza A11.
When Wilfredo Ricart came to Spain to form Enasa, he looked for an agreement with Hispano Suiza to use his factories in La Sagrera and gain time to start production of industrial vehicles. H-S moved to Hostafranchs (Barcelona) keeping working for the Army where they start to work on a new project, A11 with plans caming from the French Hispano-Suiza.
Ok, we call it a Hispano-Suiza then. I suppose this is the 2nd version then, because topic MJW#1082 covers the 1st version. A point for Jean-Marie H
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Re: Ubb115 Hispano-Suiza A11 (2nd version) 1951/1952
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2013, 11:21:36 AM »
Thank you !    ;)
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OGB-368 Hispano-Suiza 1952 Barcelona, Spain
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2020, 12:01:59 AM »
Please find this small car
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Re: OGB-368 Name this small car
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2020, 02:28:05 AM »
Up!
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Re: OGB-368 Name this small car
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2020, 04:35:30 PM »
Hispano-suiza prototype 1952 !
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Re: OGB-368 Name this small car
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2020, 07:05:06 AM »
That's the one!
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Re: Ubb115 Hispano-Suiza A11 (2nd version) 1951/1952
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2020, 07:14:15 AM »
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Re: Ubb115 Hispano-Suiza A11 (2nd version) 1951/1952
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2020, 07:24:32 AM »
Sorry, didn't know it was a repost
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