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Solved - NEH 5282: Mercedes-Benz W180 220A 1952 possibly rebodied 1956 by MHK Kaiserslautern
« on: July 18, 2018, 11:13:53 AM »
What's this, by whom, from when - for 1 point?:

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Re: NEH 5282
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2018, 04:54:05 PM »
rearlights seem from Mercedes Benz 180
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Re: NEH 5282
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2018, 06:03:30 PM »
Quote from: norberthanke on July 23, 2018, 04:54:05 PM
rearlights seem from Mercedes Benz 180

You're onto something there...!
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Re: NEH 5282
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2018, 02:42:46 PM »
a one-off but not from Mercedes
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Re: NEH 5282
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2018, 06:19:45 PM »
Quote from: norberthanke on July 24, 2018, 02:42:46 PM
a one-off but not from Mercedes

Exactly.
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Re: NEH 5282
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2018, 07:36:31 AM »
Not commercially built
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Re: NEH 5282
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2018, 08:09:03 AM »
It wasn't, no.
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Re: NEH 5282
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2018, 08:26:06 AM »
Front end less pleasing
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Re: NEH 5282
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2018, 06:31:02 PM »
You found a picture of the front?  But haven't identified it fully?

Here is a front view, which doesn't specially help with solving the puzzle if you haven't already done so:

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Re: NEH 5282
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2018, 08:32:55 AM »
A mixture between Spohn and Aurelia. We are in the Netherlands (number-plate in the back). No, I still do not know what it is. Front end looks overloaded, general line not bad.
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Re: NEH 5282
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2018, 03:18:30 AM »
Look what I found

A previous owner wrote to the Dutch Mercedes Benz importer AGAM in 1973 with a request to identify the car. According to the chassis number the car was delivered in February 1952 as a 4 door W187 type to the Belgian Mercedes Benz importer IMA.
The car is most likely converted by a Belgian coachbuilder in the 50's. My first thought was Coune, but this couldn't be confirmed by a Belgian Coune expert.
On the boot is the MB logo and underneath 220

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Re: NEH 5282
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2018, 04:04:06 AM »
Right so far, smodmog.
It was indeed built on a 1952 chassis but not by Coune or any other Belgian coachbuilder.
So we've established what it's based on but still not exactly which model it is and who built it.
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Re: NEH 5282
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2018, 11:13:17 AM »
This is not the right answer but I think the whole body is pure Lancia Aurelia Coupé, so it only can be privately been built. In the end we have to name the man in charge who built it
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Re: NEH 5282
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2018, 01:50:22 PM »
Whilst it strongly resembles a Lancia coupé none of it is actually pure Lancia and there are no Lancia parts; all metal and glass are individual.
There is some doubt about the car's provenance actually and there is a chance it could be by a Belgian coachbuilder, but if you tell me who the car has been attributed to (but with no actual proof) I'll give you the point and call it solvved.
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Re: NEH 5282
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2018, 03:55:29 AM »
seems to be still a mystery

It is a Lancia Aurelia B20 that belonged to a Brussels pharmacist who changed the drivetrain around 1960 after having difficulties with the delicate Lancia parts.
Why not Lancia? Well, simply because there are too many crucial differences. The front windscreen totally different in shape and is mounted in the body under a different angle. The Lancia windscreen stands much steeper.
The rear window is different in shape.
The closing gap between the door and front mudguard is different in line. The side windows are different. In the door the window of the Lancia is much longer, the quarter window of the Lancia is shorter.
Under the the bonnet the inner wings and bulkhead are totally different from the Lancia. The stucture of the bottom bodywork is also totally different.
The Mercedes has a chassis where the Lancia has a monocoque .
The shape of the boot lid is also different. The Lancia boot lid is rounder in shape and the bottom corners are different in line
The story that it was once owned by a Brussels pharmacist could be right. We have heard that story too.

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Re: NEH 5282
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2018, 06:22:02 AM »
Yes, I fully agree.
Who is it generally attributed to though (although not sure it's accurate..)?

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Re: NEH 5282
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2018, 07:24:58 AM »
on the website I can only find  that it could be MHK in Kaiserslautern but then again they not sure' I haven't been answered by MHK yet but I think we can write off that possibility'
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Re: NEH 5282
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2018, 09:44:58 AM »
MHK is what I was looking for, yes.
Although the pundits seem to rule out the school I don't really know they're right.  The MHK did use some Mercedes chassis to make some of their generally rather good creations and there is little documentation about them.  No-one has actually come up with a better or more credible alternative so that's how I'm going to leave it.
One day someone will know for sure!
Another point for you then!

And another picture, which emphasises the differences between it and a Lancia Aurelia B20 Coupé:

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