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Please identify this vehicle for a point.

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Re: GTE 149
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2019, 03:36:44 PM »
Experts?

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Re: GTE 149
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2019, 05:50:19 PM »
Is it American?

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Re: GTE 149
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2019, 06:21:08 PM »

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Re: GTE 149
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2019, 08:30:38 PM »
Was it built by a well known person?

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Re: GTE 149
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2019, 09:49:19 PM »
Was it built by a well known person?
No

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Re: GTE 149
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2019, 10:52:36 PM »
Is it amphibious?

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Re: GTE 149
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2019, 11:06:23 PM »

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Re: GTE 149
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2019, 01:06:12 AM »
Does it have jeep parts?

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Re: GTE 149
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2019, 01:25:49 AM »

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Re: GTE 149
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2019, 05:43:32 PM »
Does this vehicle have any special function?

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Re: GTE 149
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2019, 06:09:57 PM »
Does this vehicle have any special function?
Not that I am aware of.

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Re: GTE 149
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2019, 06:12:57 PM »
Was it based on anyother car or truck brand?

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Re: GTE 149
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2019, 07:17:17 PM »
Was it based on anyother car or truck brand?
No (but likely powered by a production engine of some sort)

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Re: GTE 149
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2019, 06:31:39 PM »
Up to the Pros. Doubt it will last long here!

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Re: GTE 149
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2019, 03:21:18 AM »
I've seen that one before. Is it American?

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Re: GTE 149
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2019, 03:47:32 AM »
Homemade or built by a company ?

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Re: GTE 149
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2019, 03:50:03 AM »
I've seen that one before. Is it American?
Closely related to a previous AP puzzle vehicle.

Homemade or built by a company ?
By a company.

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Re: GTE 149
« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2019, 06:23:33 AM »
It seems to be the sole running prototype ever built of the stillborn Martin truck.

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Re: GTE 149
« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2019, 07:29:03 AM »
I believe its the martin 1/4-ton truck,its body was mostly wood and it had FWD 61 BHP 4.The vehicle weight was 750 lbs and could carry 500lb payload. Two prototypes were built?

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Re: GTE 149
« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2019, 11:50:48 AM »
It seems to be the sole running prototype ever built of the stillborn Martin truck.
I believe its the martin 1/4-ton truck,its body was mostly wood and it had FWD 61 BHP 4.The vehicle weight was 750 lbs and could carry 500lb payload. Two prototypes were built?
Sorry kwgibbs, but I think Wendax got to it first, even without the added detail.

This is what I know about Captain James V. Martin and this prototype truck:

19??: Forms the Martin Aeroplane Co.; successfully patents and sells landing gear and other aircraft components.

1922: Forms the Martin Motor Co., Springfield, MA; produces the Scootmobile under this company name.

192?: Creates a concept for a small car (called the ‘Dart’) and a small, unnamed truck.
1926: Enlists engineer Miles H. Carpenter to develop and build the Dart.
1926-29: Carpenter constructs a total of three Darts.

1929: Partners with C. A. Warbeck to found Martin Truck Corp. With Warbeck in control, the company plans to build a truck factory in Sayre, PA. This plan is ultimately rejected by the city.

2009: The puzzle photograph and accompanying documents surface in New Jersey. The photo shows a small truck wearing a 1940s NJ license plate. The documents indicate that the truck is a running prototype developed by the Martin Aeroplane Co., Garden City, NY.

I think a likely scenario is:
  • City of Sayre, PA rejects plan for new factory;
  • Worldwide economic depression hits (1929) making it impossible to continue;
  • Martin and Warbeck abandon the plan, dissolve Martin Truck Corp, and go their separate ways.
  • Post-war economy spurs Martin to take another go at the small truck idea. (His aviation business may have even profited from the war.)
  • Martin builds a running prototype under the name of his existing company. (kwgibbs mentions two prototypes, but I haven't seen a source to corroborate this.)





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