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SOLVED: FW #641: Delaunay Belleville by Peters, 1903
« on: October 11, 2024, 06:09:01 AM »
Please be so kind and identify this vehicle: Make? Coachbuilder? Year?
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Re: FW #641
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2024, 02:50:13 PM »
Experts?

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Re: FW #641
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2024, 03:32:08 PM »
Austria
Dauphinois gratiné

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Re: FW #641
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2024, 05:51:26 PM »
No

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Re: FW #641
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2024, 03:17:36 AM »
USA
Dauphinois gratiné

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Re: FW #641
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2024, 03:29:10 AM »
No

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Re: FW #641
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2024, 09:31:14 AM »
Professionals?

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Re: FW #641
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2024, 02:38:30 PM »
Belgium ?

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Re: FW #641
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2024, 02:29:25 AM »
Delaunay Belleville " Lion noir " by Savary 1910 !

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Re: FW #641
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2024, 04:38:43 AM »
'Yes' and 'No'
I know about a post at a very well-known coachbuilder-site, where this vehicle is reffered to as  'Delaunay Belleville Lion noir by Savary 1910'
But my -usually reliable- source tells another coachbuilder and year.
Delaunay Belleville is right
As I don't know, which one of the sources is right, a proof will be very welcome
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Re: FW #641
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2024, 08:27:29 AM »
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Re: FW #641
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2024, 08:44:32 AM »
Thank you very much
1st proof: Only states, that a SIMILAR vehicle has been shown 1910 in Bruxelles
2nd proof: Please be so kind and check the text in your second proof carefully. I think, one part of the correct solution is hidden there

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Re: FW #641
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2024, 11:16:35 AM »
Indeed the 1910 truck has more modern headlights than your puzzle.
Can be a Delaunay Belleville " Lion noir "bodied by widow Peters around 1908?

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Re: FW #641
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2024, 11:54:27 AM »
Not only the headlights, as also the lower body parts are different
Yes, bodied by Peters, Paris, but years earlier than 1908

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Re: FW #641
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2024, 03:11:52 PM »
1906 ?

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Re: FW #641
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2024, 03:41:35 AM »
Earlier

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Re: FW #641
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2024, 04:39:38 AM »
DELAUNAY BELLEVILLE beginning in 1904; I would be 1905 !  ::)

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Re: FW #641
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2024, 05:51:50 AM »
To my (scarce) knowledge, Delaunay Belleville started production in 1903 and showed their automobiles the first time at the Salon Paris in 1904
My source says 1903 for production of this advertising vehicle

Nevertheless, the point is yours, of course! Congratulations

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Re: SOLVED: FW #641: Delaunay Belleville by Peters, 1903
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2024, 06:45:05 AM »
Thank you !  :)

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Re: SOLVED: FW #641: Delaunay Belleville by Peters, 1903
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2024, 10:22:01 AM »
There is clearly something wrong with the year of release. The car is externally of a later period.