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Title: SOLVED: FW #446: Claveau delivery van, 750ccm, 1930
Post by: fromwien on January 24, 2023, 05:13:02 PM
Please be so kind and identify this car
Title: Re: FW #446
Post by: fromwien on February 04, 2023, 11:20:54 AM
Experts?
Title: Re: FW #446
Post by: marmer on February 07, 2023, 04:25:55 PM
Is this a Hanomag Kommisbrot with Deutsche Reichspost body?
Title: Re: FW #446
Post by: fromwien on February 07, 2023, 06:32:22 PM
No
Title: Re: FW #446
Post by: marmer on February 07, 2023, 09:36:55 PM
Gutbrod?
Title: Re: FW #446
Post by: fromwien on February 08, 2023, 03:49:20 AM
No
Title: Re: FW #446
Post by: Bill d isere on February 08, 2023, 04:25:13 AM
DKW ?
Title: Re: FW #446
Post by: fromwien on February 08, 2023, 06:45:32 AM
No
Title: Re: FW #446
Post by: Bill d isere on February 08, 2023, 09:08:58 AM
German ?
Title: Re: FW #446
Post by: fromwien on February 08, 2023, 04:31:35 PM
No
Title: Re: FW #446
Post by: Rusty Chrome on February 08, 2023, 08:20:59 PM
French?
Title: Re: FW #446
Post by: Bill d isere on February 09, 2023, 03:19:58 AM
Austria ?
Title: Re: FW #446
Post by: fromwien on February 09, 2023, 04:39:33 AM
Quote from: Rusty Chrome on February 08, 2023, 08:20:59 PM
French?
Yes
Quote from: Bill d isere on February 09, 2023, 03:19:58 AM
Austria ?
No
Title: Re: FW #446
Post by: Bill d isere on February 09, 2023, 04:56:00 AM
Why didn't I recognize him sooner?

Autobloc by Emile Claveau
Title: Re: FW #446
Post by: fromwien on February 09, 2023, 07:33:15 AM
Yes! LOCKED for you, to find engine capacity and year
Title: Re: FW #446
Post by: Bill d isere on February 09, 2023, 09:30:36 AM
Claveau 6CV, there were several versions of this prototype between 1930 and 1932, with several types of bodywork. But all with a 1125 cc V4 engine
Title: Re: FW #446
Post by: fromwien on February 09, 2023, 10:10:20 AM
Quote from: Bill d isere on February 09, 2023, 09:30:36 AM
Claveau 6CV, there were several versions of this prototype between 1930 and 1932, with several types of bodywork. But all with a 1125 cc V4 engine
Yes, fro 1930. But not a 1125 cc V4 engine
Title: Re: FW #446
Post by: Bill d isere on February 09, 2023, 12:32:50 PM
DKW engine ?
Title: Re: FW #446
Post by: Bill d isere on February 09, 2023, 12:37:36 PM
Or V6 3 liters
Title: Re: FW #446
Post by: fromwien on February 09, 2023, 01:31:17 PM
Quote from: Bill d isere on February 09, 2023, 12:32:50 PM
DKW engine ?
No
Quote from: Bill d isere on February 09, 2023, 12:37:36 PM
Or V6 3 liters
Far smaller
Title: Re: FW #446
Post by: Bill d isere on February 09, 2023, 02:26:01 PM
2 liters ?
Title: Re: FW #446
Post by: fromwien on February 09, 2023, 04:05:08 PM
Far smaller
Title: Re: FW #446
Post by: Bill d isere on February 10, 2023, 12:57:20 PM
1355 cc
Title: Re: FW #446
Post by: fromwien on February 10, 2023, 03:06:20 PM
Far smaller
Title: Re: FW #446
Post by: Bill d isere on February 11, 2023, 05:05:42 AM
1100 cc
Title: Re: FW #446
Post by: fromwien on February 11, 2023, 07:47:47 AM
No, it's a small water-cooled two-stroke twin.. with the same capacity as the Renault 4CV, so...
Title: Re: FW #446
Post by: Bill d isere on February 11, 2023, 11:17:45 AM
747 or 760 cc
Title: Re: SOLVED: FW #446: Claveau delivery van, 750ccm, 1930
Post by: fromwien on February 11, 2023, 06:29:45 PM
Yes, 750ccm 2-stroke twin. A very advanced front wheel drive concept with integral body-chassis construction
Title: Re: SOLVED: FW #446: Claveau delivery van, 750ccm, 1930
Post by: Bill d isere on February 12, 2023, 04:10:41 AM
An extremely modern design for its time but which was not successful.

Thank you for your help in my search.
Title: Re: SOLVED: FW #446: Claveau delivery van, 750ccm, 1930
Post by: Wendax on February 12, 2023, 04:47:04 AM
I have read about the 750 cc engine size too, e. g. in Georgano's Encyclopedia of Commercial Vehicles. But according to René Bellu, Claveau featured two engines for its car range in 1930: the 9 CV 1500 cc flat-four four-stroke and the 4 CV two-cylinder two-stroke with bore and stroke of 70 x 75 mm which results in a 570 cc displacement (577 cc to be mathematically correct). Do you have a contemporarry proof for the 750 cc engine size? Otherwise I would suppose that some book author involuntarily flipped the digits to the much more usual 750 instead of 570.

BTW, Claveau used the same drawing for their 6 CV model of 1932. Just the door opening has been enlarged and the lettering at the side has been altered.
Title: Re: SOLVED: FW #446: Claveau delivery van, 750ccm, 1930
Post by: fromwien on February 12, 2023, 08:34:11 AM
Out of an half-page article in an magazine, dated 28th Oct 1930