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Title: SOLVED: FW #324: TAM PB 56 Pionir, SAP Ljubljana coachwork, 1958
Post by: fromwien on July 10, 2022, 03:33:54 PM
Please identify this bus in all its details: Make? Type? Year? Coachbuilder?
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: fromwien on July 17, 2022, 04:17:29 AM
Experts?
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: Alfa_Japan on July 18, 2022, 05:02:06 AM
Bianchi autobus based?
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: fromwien on July 18, 2022, 06:01:43 AM
No
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: Alfa_Japan on July 18, 2022, 07:59:54 AM
Italian?
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: fromwien on July 18, 2022, 08:37:46 AM
No
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: Alfa_Japan on July 18, 2022, 09:54:23 AM
Then French?
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: marmer on July 18, 2022, 12:23:41 PM
Body by Heuliez?
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: sichel on July 18, 2022, 01:41:35 PM
Based on Renault?
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: fromwien on July 25, 2022, 03:01:09 AM
Quote from: Alfa_Japan on July 18, 2022, 09:54:23 AM
Then French?
No
Quote from: marmer on July 18, 2022, 12:23:41 PM
Body by Heuliez?
No
Quote from: sichel on July 18, 2022, 01:41:35 PM
Based on Renault?
No
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: Alfa_Japan on July 25, 2022, 07:12:55 AM
German as in Setra?
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: fromwien on July 29, 2022, 04:09:18 AM
No
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: fromwien on August 17, 2022, 03:37:17 AM
Professionals?
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: Alfa_Japan on August 17, 2022, 05:23:44 AM
Italian vehicle?
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: fromwien on August 17, 2022, 05:35:47 AM
No
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: BattlePorQ on August 17, 2022, 06:27:45 AM
Asian country?
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: fromwien on August 17, 2022, 06:33:34 AM
No
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: pguillem on August 17, 2022, 11:55:26 AM
TAM Pionir maybe from 1957, maybe bodied by Autokaroserija Novi Sad. It looks the same as this one used by Integral Brebus.
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: fromwien on August 17, 2022, 12:09:47 PM
TAM is correct, "Pionir" or "P" (for Pionir) part of the type's designation, not Autokaroserija Novi Sad
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: pguillem on August 17, 2022, 12:32:41 PM
Autokaroserija Split ?
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: fromwien on August 17, 2022, 12:33:37 PM
No
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: pguillem on August 17, 2022, 12:57:17 PM
Autokaroserija Ljubljana ?
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: fromwien on August 17, 2022, 04:31:26 PM
Partly correct
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: pguillem on August 17, 2022, 05:18:04 PM
Quote from: fromwien on August 17, 2022, 04:31:26 PM
Partly correct

Does it mean that another Autokaroserija was implied, for example Autokaroserija Zagreb ?
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: fromwien on August 17, 2022, 05:50:12 PM
No. Sorry. Ljubljana is correct
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: pguillem on August 17, 2022, 06:19:48 PM
Quote from: fromwien on August 17, 2022, 05:50:12 PM
No. Sorry. Ljubljana is correct

So, what is missing ?
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: fromwien on August 18, 2022, 02:25:51 AM
On my proof, there is another coachbuilder from Ljubljana mentioned, than Autokaroserija Ljubljana. Furthermore the completed type and year are missing.
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: pguillem on August 18, 2022, 11:08:25 PM
Quote from: fromwien on August 18, 2022, 02:25:51 AM
On my proof, there is another coachbuilder from Ljubljana mentioned, than Autokaroserija Ljubljana. Furthermore the completed type and year are missing.

- another coachbuilder from Ljubljana : Avtomontaža ?
- type : PB ?
- year : 1950 ?
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: fromwien on August 19, 2022, 02:49:59 AM
- another coachbuilder from Ljubljana : Avtomontaža ?: No
- type : PB ? These two characters are correct, but there are some more details missing
- year : 1950 ? No
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: pguillem on August 21, 2022, 01:21:49 PM
Quote from: fromwien on August 19, 2022, 02:49:59 AM
- another coachbuilder from Ljubljana : Avtomontaža ?: No
- type : PB ? These two characters are correct, but there are some more details missing
- year : 1950 ? No
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- another coachbuilder from Ljubljana : Avtomontaža ?: No
SAP ?
- type : PB ? These two characters are correct, but there are some more details missing
PB 56 Pionir ?
- year : 1950 ? Note]
1953 ?
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: fromwien on August 21, 2022, 01:37:23 PM
YES: TAM PB 56 Pionir, SAP Ljubljana
NO: 1953
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: pguillem on August 21, 2022, 03:25:36 PM
1949 ?
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: fromwien on August 21, 2022, 03:31:25 PM
No
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: pguillem on August 21, 2022, 03:57:39 PM
1951 ?
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: fromwien on August 21, 2022, 04:19:51 PM
No
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: pguillem on August 21, 2022, 04:50:15 PM
1952 ?
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: fromwien on August 22, 2022, 01:33:54 AM
No. Far newer
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: pguillem on August 22, 2022, 09:19:46 AM
Newer than 1960 ?
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: fromwien on August 22, 2022, 11:40:37 AM
No
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: pguillem on August 22, 2022, 11:55:59 AM
1957 ?
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: fromwien on August 22, 2022, 06:49:18 PM
+1
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: pguillem on August 22, 2022, 09:30:00 PM
Quote from: fromwien on August 22, 2022, 06:49:18 PM
+1

Don't tell me : 1958 ?  :joker:
Title: Re: FW #324
Post by: fromwien on August 23, 2022, 03:23:31 AM
"pguillem", we have it! :bow:
TAM PB 56 Pionir, built by SAP Ljubljana, 1958
Title: Re: SOLVED: FW #324: TAM PB 56 Pionir, SAP Ljubljana coachwork, 1958
Post by: pguillem on August 23, 2022, 09:55:14 AM
Thank you very much ! :drink: