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Re: si_021
« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2021, 05:34:06 AM »
No.
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Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_021
« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2021, 07:42:18 AM »
AEG? Berlin? Typ II-6500?
« Last Edit: December 08, 2021, 08:13:53 AM by fromwien »
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Re: si_021
« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2021, 01:55:22 PM »
It is a Henschel 6500-II, not used in Berlin, no AEG pulling tractor.
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Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_021
« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2021, 02:22:02 PM »
SSW involved?
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Re: si_021
« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2021, 02:24:18 PM »
What means SSW?
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Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
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A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_021
« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2021, 02:31:01 PM »
Siemens-Schuckertwerke (SSW)
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Re: si_021
« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2021, 02:38:36 PM »
To my knowledge, they where not involved.
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Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
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A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_021
« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2021, 03:01:23 PM »
Maschinenfabrik Esslingen?
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Re: si_021
« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2021, 03:04:56 PM »
Yes, locked for you.
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Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
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A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_021
« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2021, 04:19:38 PM »
Dear 'sichel', please unlock. I think, only the type of the pulling tractor is still in need to find. It may be an easy find in a book, which I know about, but don't have.
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Re: si_021
« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2021, 05:06:54 PM »
Unlocked, a pity, so close to the goal.
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Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
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A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_021
« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2021, 05:13:05 PM »
The only Essslingen-pulling-tractor, I know about, is the ES 601?
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Re: si_021
« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2021, 05:24:39 PM »
Not here for the point, of course.. could the schlepper be a S202F or similar?
Also I have spent hours on this puzzle trying to find the operator.
I just love trolleybuses.
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Re: si_021
« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2021, 05:35:57 PM »
Hiawatha, you are right, the puller is a ME S202f, now the only question that remains is when these vehicles were produced. Locked for Hiawatha
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Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_021
« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2021, 05:56:22 PM »
I would say production of the schlepper started in 1949.
The Henschel 6500 obus was produced from 1947 to 1953. One of my sources states that 86 were made.
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Re: si_021
« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2021, 11:29:39 AM »
Yes, that`s it, here is your next point. Btw: The picture was taken in Bremen. Bremen had a trolley bus line from 1949 to 1961 in the north of the town.
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Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
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A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: SOLVED: si_021 - Henschel - 6500-II - by Drauz - 1949 - ME S202f - 1950-1953
« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2021, 12:40:55 PM »
At first: Congratulation to 'Hiawatha' for a well earned point, with the only answer, the puzzle-owner did NOT ask for with his questioning:

1) the questioning:
Who is pulling who here?
Vehicle manufacturers, bodybuilders and manufacturing periods are asked for a point.

2) 'manufacturing periods' has been answered with reply #4:
Manufacturing periods: 1950s for both
and confirmed by the puzzle-owner with reply #5:
Unfortunately wrong except for the time period
With reply #38 the puzzle-owner again asked for the production period, previously confirmed by him with reply #5

3) Manufacturer: base of the bus: Reply #11 on: December 06, 2021, 11:00:56 PM »
Henschel/BBC ?
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2021, 01:39:14 AM »
Henschel: Yes / BBC No

4) 'bodybuilders':
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2021, 04:07:58 AM »
Drauz bodywork?
Reply #14 on: December 07, 2021, 05:14:11 AM »
Yes.

5) Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 04:01:45 AM »
Short summary: O-bus with Drauz bodywork on Henschel base. Have to find, the German operating company, which used (built) this bus? And built the pulling tractor?
« Reply #23 on: Yesterday at 04:31:26 AM »
That's it. Perhaps also add the type of the bus.

6) « Reply #26 on: Yesterday at 07:42:18 AM »
AEG? Berlin? Typ II-6500?
« Reply #27 on: Yesterday at 01:55:22 PM »
It is a Henschel 6500-II, not used in Berlin, no AEG pulling tractor.

7) « Reply #32 on: Yesterday at 03:01:23 PM »
Maschinenfabrik Esslingen?
« Reply #33 on: Yesterday at 03:04:56 PM »
Yes, locked for you.

WHY????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? What's missing??????????????????????????????????????

Vehicle manufacturers: Büssing, Maschinenfabrik Esslingen (answered reply #12, #32)
Bodybuilders: Drauz (answered reply #13)
Manufacturing periods (answered reply #4)
Type of the bus (reply #26)

TO BE HONEST, I AM STILL NOT INTERESTED IN POINTS, BUT PLAYING 'AutoPuzzles'. WITHIN STATED RULES! NOT LESS OR MORE
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Re: SOLVED: si_021 - Henschel - 6500-II - by Drauz - 1949 - ME S202f - 1950-1953
« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2021, 03:49:57 PM »
I think that this puzzle was worth 2 points, one for each vehicle. BTW, I was happy to discover the Bremen trolleybuses. I used to go to school in trolleybuses in Nice.
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Re: SOLVED: si_021 - Henschel - 6500-II - by Drauz - 1949 - ME S202f - 1950-1953
« Reply #43 on: December 09, 2021, 04:02:50 PM »
Hey fromwien, I was not 100 per cent on the job when I worked on this puzzle.

The question about the vehicle types arises indirectly from the introduction,"Who is pulling who here?" and is actually standard for us, but I should have repeated you in the specific questions. I caught up with them later and you have also responded to it.

The first answer regarding the production period, "1950s for both", was actually too inaccurate and it was a mistake to nod it off, that's why I fleshed them out later.

How did subject "operating company" actually get into the puzzle?

In the end only the tractor was missing, you had thrown in the towel and that's how only Hiawatha remained as goal getter.

I am a little overloaded at work and in my private life. But the Christmas holidays are already waiting for me.

Hopefully a 'sichel-bee' can pull the corners of your mouth up again

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A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: SOLVED: si_021 - Henschel - 6500-II - by Drauz - 1949 - ME S202f - 1950-1953
« Reply #44 on: December 09, 2021, 04:48:43 PM »
Sorry, 'sichel', read my reply exactly. Nobody, including yourself, should be allowed, bending rules. I am sorry for you, to be overloaded at work and in your private life.
Now you tried to fool yourself out of a situation, only you are responsible for:

If within this puzzle si_021: "Who is pulling who here?", is the real question to be answered,.. is "Where are the passengers?" the real question with "si_152-puzzle"?????????????????????????????????????

To be honest, such time-wasting makes me quite upset. I am still not eager hunting points, but I am strictly thinking, nobody should be allowed bending rules as he wants.
I hope the situation will get cleared. In a straight way. Like my (and the other players) answers.
In order to clarify your questioning, I asked with reply 22 what still needs to be solved
Please check your answers
Certain rules should remain the basis for this game

If this matter cannot be settled, I prefer to delete my account, not to waste further time.
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Re: SOLVED: si_021 - Henschel - 6500-II - by Drauz - 1949 - ME S202f - 1950-1953
« Reply #45 on: December 09, 2021, 05:47:01 PM »
Quote from: pguillem on December 09, 2021, 03:49:57 PM
I think that this puzzle was worth 2 points, one for each vehicle. BTW, I was happy to discover the Bremen trolleybuses. I used to go to school in trolleybuses in Nice.
Dear 'pguillem', thank you very much for this very nice trial to calm down an unnecessary discussion.
Sadly, earning points isn't really important for me. I only like to check my memory and brains, or to rummage through old literature where once I saw a photo that now appears here as a puzzle.
I feel very sensitive, if easy rules are not followed. In every part of my ​​life. On each, possibly insignificant level.This is the only thing I would like to bring to a solution. Without inept excuses that create even more rifts.
Nevertheless, thank you very much once more
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Re: SOLVED: si_021 - Henschel - 6500-II - by Drauz - 1949 - ME S202f - 1950-1953
« Reply #46 on: December 09, 2021, 05:51:28 PM »
I think the idea from pguillem is a good idea and so there is one point for Hiawatha, guessing the tractor and one poibt for fromwien, guessing the bus.
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Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
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A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: SOLVED: si_021 - Henschel - 6500-II - by Drauz - 1949 - ME S202f - 1950-1953
« Reply #47 on: December 09, 2021, 09:45:54 PM »
The puzzle image seems to be part of the page "Langs Geschichte : Der Obus in Bremen (m21B)" on drehscheibe-online.de, but I'm unable to see it. I hope that this can help.
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Re: SOLVED: si_021 - Henschel - 6500-II - by Drauz - 1949 - ME S202f - 1950-1953
« Reply #48 on: December 10, 2021, 04:31:27 AM »
Quote from: sichel on December 09, 2021, 05:51:28 PM
I think the idea from pguillem is a good idea and so there is one point for Hiawatha, guessing the tractor and one poibt for fromwien, guessing the bus.
It seems like it doesn't matter whatever I write on the subject to this puzzle-progress. A typical sign of today's flawless time, where everyone ignores the topic without reacting factually, often enough without empathy. I haven't had that feeling with the puzzle-owner. But sometimes you will get taught better. Happy playing to all
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