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Title: FVK_35 Opel & Bayschlag 10-12ps Doppel-Phaethon 1906
Post by: Fёdor on January 03, 2021, 03:07:10 AM
I ask you to determine the brand and model for one point
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Post by: Fёdor on January 20, 2021, 11:09:41 PM
Experts?
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Post by: Fёdor on January 30, 2021, 03:42:37 AM
Pros?
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Post by: gte4289 on January 30, 2021, 09:24:43 PM
European?
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Post by: Fёdor on January 31, 2021, 02:48:05 AM
Yes
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Post by: gte4289 on February 01, 2021, 09:25:33 PM
Western European?
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Post by: Fёdor on February 01, 2021, 10:24:59 PM
Yes
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Post by: gte4289 on February 02, 2021, 03:47:43 AM
From the UK?
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Post by: Fёdor on February 02, 2021, 01:26:18 PM
No
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Post by: gte4289 on February 02, 2021, 02:58:29 PM
French?
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Post by: Fёdor on February 02, 2021, 10:37:02 PM
No
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Post by: gte4289 on February 03, 2021, 09:16:52 PM
Belgium?
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Post by: kwgibbs on February 03, 2021, 09:19:33 PM
Netherlands?
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Post by: Fёdor on February 03, 2021, 09:55:19 PM
No
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Post by: Allan L on February 06, 2021, 11:53:50 AM
Italian?
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Post by: Fёdor on February 06, 2021, 12:13:10 PM
No
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Post by: Fёdor on February 14, 2021, 01:16:51 PM
Masters?
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Post by: Wendax on February 14, 2021, 01:23:45 PM
German?
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Post by: Fёdor on February 14, 2021, 01:26:38 PM
partially
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Post by: pnegyesi on February 14, 2021, 02:50:55 PM
From Austria?
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Post by: Wendax on February 14, 2021, 04:59:36 PM
German engine and a non-German brand?
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Post by: Fёdor on February 14, 2021, 09:56:38 PM
Quote from: pnegyesi on February 14, 2021, 02:50:55 PM
From Austria?
Yes
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Post by: Fёdor on February 14, 2021, 09:58:04 PM
Quote from: Wendax on February 14, 2021, 04:59:36 PM
German engine and a non-German brand?
I think both the engine and the chassis
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Post by: gte4289 on February 15, 2021, 12:07:34 AM
Linser?
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Post by: oko94 on February 15, 2021, 05:47:20 AM
Was the brand active more than five years ?
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Post by: Fёdor on February 15, 2021, 10:29:32 AM
Quote from: gte4289 on February 15, 2021, 12:07:34 AM
Linser?
No
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Post by: Fёdor on February 15, 2021, 10:38:46 AM
There is no exact information, but I think she only put bodies on a German chassis for about five years. The company still exists today.
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Post by: Wendax on February 15, 2021, 10:48:28 AM
Rosenbauer?
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Post by: Fёdor on February 15, 2021, 11:06:07 AM
No
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Post by: gte4289 on February 15, 2021, 09:57:34 PM
1905-1907?
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Post by: Fёdor on February 15, 2021, 10:00:49 PM
Yes
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Post by: gte4289 on February 15, 2021, 11:09:35 PM
Ph. Brunnbauer & Sohn?
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Post by: Fёdor on February 16, 2021, 09:50:23 AM
No
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Post by: gte4289 on March 30, 2021, 03:05:54 PM
Quote from: Fёdor on February 15, 2021, 10:38:46 AM
There is no exact information, but I think she only put bodies on a German chassis for about five years. The company still exists today.
Has the company also manufactured motorcycles?
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Post by: Fёdor on March 30, 2021, 03:38:04 PM
Yes
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Post by: gte4289 on March 30, 2021, 04:55:40 PM
Hofmann & Czerny/Continental?
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Post by: Fёdor on March 30, 2021, 10:58:37 PM
No
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Post by: pnegyesi on March 31, 2021, 12:00:09 AM
Quote from: Fёdor on February 14, 2021, 09:56:38 PM
Quote from: pnegyesi on February 14, 2021, 02:50:55 PM
From Austria?
Yes

Do you mean the Austrian part of the former Austro-Hungarian Monarchy or the territory which is today the Czech Republic?
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Post by: Fёdor on March 31, 2021, 12:46:19 AM
Territory of Austria
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Post by: Oguerrerob on June 30, 2021, 01:49:52 PM
Spitz?
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Post by: Fёdor on July 01, 2021, 11:21:21 AM
No.
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Post by: Oguerrerob on July 02, 2021, 04:05:00 AM
Noricum?

Opel-Darracq by Opel & Beyschlag 1906 Vienna, Austria
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Post by: Oguerrerob on July 02, 2021, 09:57:01 AM
Another ad
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Post by: Fёdor on July 02, 2021, 10:45:36 AM
Well, finally, I wanted to send it to the black hole. Congratulations! In my source signed as Opel & Bayschlag
Title: Re: FVK_35 Opel & Bayschlag 10-12ps Doppel-Phaethon 1906
Post by: Oguerrerob on July 02, 2021, 10:52:43 AM
Thanks for the point!
Title: Re: FVK_35 Opel & Bayschlag 10-12ps Doppel-Phaethon 1906
Post by: Wendax on July 02, 2021, 12:34:30 PM
Are you sure that Opel & Beyschlag was anything more than a dealer? I can find no mention of any automobile production by them. I think they just produced some motorbikes in their early days. They surely were the first Opel dealers outside Germany, but even Austro Classic doesn't mention any car production by them. The old ad in the previous post also just mentions that they have been able to import some Opel-Darracqs before the custom fees were raised.
Title: Re: FVK_35 Opel & Bayschlag 10-12ps Doppel-Phaethon 1906
Post by: Fёdor on July 02, 2021, 01:27:53 PM
Maybe so, but in the statistics of the race Das Semmering Rennen 1907 it is written like this
Title: Re: FVK_35 Opel & Bayschlag 10-12ps Doppel-Phaethon 1906
Post by: fromwien on July 02, 2021, 01:57:14 PM
At first I want to inform you, that the correct spelling of "Opel & Beyschlag" was ever and is: Opel & Beyschlag! For 100 percent sureness.

Secondly, in my opinion, there is a linguistic misunderstanding, depending the 'reading the statistics of the 'Semmering Rennen 1907':

Opel & Beyschlag's Darracq (Robert Koch), means: Entered by: Opel & Beyschlag (correctly written!), Car: Darracq, Driver: Robert Koch
Compare with line above:
Max Klug's Sizaire & Naudin (Max Klug), which means: Entered by: Max Klug, Car: Sizaire & Naudin, Driver: Max Klug

In my opinion, 'Opel & Beyschlag' never produced cars. Only motorcycles (1904+). But I will go on searching. Sometimes miracles will happen...
Title: Re: FVK_35 Opel & Bayschlag 10-12ps Doppel-Phaethon 1906
Post by: Fёdor on July 02, 2021, 02:21:53 PM
Maybe they didn't release them, but they could put their bodies on German chassis.
Title: Re: FVK_35 Opel & Bayschlag 10-12ps Doppel-Phaethon 1906
Post by: pnegyesi on July 02, 2021, 03:32:26 PM
Here is a description of the company from 1905 - no mention of any coachbuilding activities

Title: Re: FVK_35 Opel & Bayschlag 10-12ps Doppel-Phaethon 1906
Post by: Fёdor on February 10, 2024, 05:27:49 AM
To continue the dispute