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Solved - NEH 5495: 1959 Moretti 1800-2100 Coupé by Michelotti
« on: September 23, 2019, 09:59:25 AM »
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Re: NEH 5495
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2019, 04:19:08 PM »
Lancia?

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Re: NEH 5495
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2019, 05:49:58 PM »
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Re: NEH 5495
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2019, 05:16:44 AM »
Up to the Experts...
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Re: NEH 5495
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2019, 07:23:50 AM »
Fiat 2100 coupè Pininfarina?

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Re: NEH 5495
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2019, 09:25:24 AM »
Moretti Fiat 2100 Coupè

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Re: NEH 5495
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2019, 11:31:22 AM »
Sorry targhediferro but I'm giving gte4289 a lock since he has identified the car as a Moretti.
But it's not an 1800 or 2100 despite having an identical body..
It's a prototype, pictured outside the Moretti factory.
So it's a prototype of what, from which year and who designed it (not Pininfarina)?
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Re: NEH 5495
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2019, 02:34:33 PM »
So it's a prototype of what
1960 Moretti Fiat 1500/1200 Coupe (see below)?
from which year
1958?
and who designed it (not Pininfarina)?
Considering the time period, Michelotti?

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Re: NEH 5495
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2019, 05:50:14 PM »
Yes, it's the 1500-1200 Coupé by Michelotti.
The captions to the photos you've posted say it all though: the 3 cars (convertible, coupé and saloon) were all shown at the 1960 Turin Show.  Your photos actually show the saloon, which was taller and less sleek than the coupé, which is the puzzle picture..
I think you've answered enough for the point though!
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Re: NEH 5495
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2019, 06:30:16 PM »
Yes, it's the 1500-1200 Coupé by Michelotti.
The captions to the photos you've posted say it all though: the 3 cars (convertible, coupé and saloon) were all shown at the 1960 Turin Show.  Your photos actually show the saloon, which was taller and less sleek than the coupé, which is the puzzle picture..
I think you've answered enough for the point though!
Thank you!

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Re: Solved - NEH 5495: 1960 Moretti 1500-1200 Coupé by Michelotti
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2019, 08:12:13 PM »
Sorry but  I need to question whether the information source for this picture is correct.  I understood that there were only two variants of each 1960 model - a coupe ( albeit a 4 seater) and a convertible. It was the 1500 car that had the relatively higher roofline ( and windscreen) and the 2100 the lower one. It may be a little deceptive because the 2100 was almost certainly a larger car to carry that big 6 cylinder engine. It also had noticeably larger tyres and slightly different wheels from the parent Fiat. There are also subtle differences between the two bodies eg the position of the sidelights relative to the headlights. I have to contend that the photo is clearly a 2100 coupe prototype - it is exactly the same as the advert for the 1800-2100.

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Re: Solved - NEH 5495: 1960 Moretti 1500-1200 Coupé by Michelotti
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2019, 04:29:48 AM »
Thanks tobytwirl.
Below is a copy of page 119 from Alessandro Sannia's book Moretti, which was my source for this puzzle (this page and captions and there is also a paragraph on these cars).
Alessandro Sannia is quite an expert on these cars, but if you wish to take it up with him directly he is of course als15 on this site, as I'm sure you already know!
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Re: Solved - NEH 5495: 1960 Moretti 1500-1200 Coupé by Michelotti
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2019, 03:51:12 AM »
I chechked carefully and I believe gte4289 is right: the shape of the doors and the wheels lead to think about an early version of 1800/2100, very similar (but bigger) to the 1200/1500.
Unfortunately, mistakes happen when sorting pictures without captions.

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Re: Solved - NEH 5495: 1960 Moretti 1500-1200 Coupé by Michelotti
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2019, 06:12:09 AM »
Thanks Alessandro.   I'll change the title.
And thanks tobytwirl for your observation!  The side/indicator lights seem to be the biggest giveaway.
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