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sichel: Martini - Car Alpin - by Ramseier, Streun & Cie., Bern - 1923
« on: November 30, 2024, 04:22:25 PM »
An early representative of passenger transport.
Name the manufacturer, type, coachbuilder and year of construction.
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Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_754
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2024, 02:29:15 PM »
Up to the Experts.
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Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_754
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2024, 12:30:11 PM »
Does one of the professionals have an idea?
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Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_754
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2024, 07:59:49 AM »
Up.
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Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_754
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2024, 08:07:08 AM »
German?
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Re: si_754
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2024, 09:49:20 AM »
No.
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an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_754
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2024, 10:23:54 AM »
Saurer ?
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Re: si_754
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2024, 10:35:27 AM »
No.
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A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_754
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2024, 10:37:27 AM »
Swiss?
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Re: si_754
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2024, 10:41:45 AM »
Yes.
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an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_754
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2024, 11:35:43 AM »
Martini, Gangloff bodywork?
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Re: si_754
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2024, 11:50:47 AM »
FBW ?
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Re: si_754
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2024, 12:08:52 PM »
Berna by Carrosserie Hess?
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Re: si_754
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2024, 12:18:58 PM »
It is a Martini, but neither by Gangloff nor by Hess.
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an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_754
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2024, 01:07:20 PM »
Carrosseriewerke Bern, circa 1925?
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Re: si_754
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2024, 01:13:27 PM »
Yes, it is a Martini by Ramseier, Streun & Cie.
You're pretty close with the year of manufacture, but above all I'm missing the type designation...
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A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_754
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2024, 08:43:42 PM »
Quote from: sichel on December 30, 2024, 01:13:27 PM
You're pretty close with the year of manufacture
I've since learned that the vehicle was exhibited in May of 1924, so it seems this is more likely the year of manufacturer.

Quote from: sichel on December 30, 2024, 01:13:27 PM
above all I'm missing the type designation
Unfortunately, the single source I've managed to find describes it only as a 12-seater Alpenpostwagen on a Martini chassis with body by Ramseier, Streun & Cie. By '"type designation," are you referring to the tonnage rating? If so, 1.5 T?
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Re: si_754
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2024, 07:21:12 AM »
My source gives the year of construction as 1923, but you can leave five straight.
The deliberate type designation consists of three letters and the name ‘Car Alpin’. My source also gives the chassis number, which seems to be based on facts. However, I have not found it anywhere else.
So there's the point for you and if someone adds the complete type designation, there's another point.

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Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke
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