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Title: Solved: Allemano's comeback - 1968 Wartburg Kunststoffversuchswagen bodied by Hans Wax
Post by: Allemano on December 13, 2018, 08:59:21 AM
Not the best pic I know!
Potentially it's another re-post, but couldn't find it on a search. (admins merge if necessary!)


So, let's find out what it is, what engine it has, who built it and when!




You're grown-ups and know the rules!  ;D  Play fair!
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: Wendax on December 13, 2018, 09:30:31 AM
A nice one! I don't think that it is a repost.
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: Allemano on December 13, 2018, 11:03:24 AM
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: Allemano on December 16, 2018, 07:06:02 AM
Experts!
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: tobytwirl on December 16, 2018, 07:12:32 AM
Is there some Simca in there?
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: Allemano on December 16, 2018, 09:36:16 AM
Is there some Simca in there?
No
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: Skut on December 16, 2018, 11:52:39 AM
The centre section looks a bit like a Lancia.
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: D-type on December 16, 2018, 12:16:48 PM
From a Warsaw Pact or ex-Warsaw Pact country?
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Post by: kwgibbs on December 16, 2018, 01:37:43 PM
any Peugeot?
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: Allemano on December 16, 2018, 02:02:22 PM
The centre section looks a bit like a Lancia.
No Lancia parts used for this car.
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: Allemano on December 16, 2018, 02:02:56 PM
From a Warsaw Pact or ex-Warsaw Pact country?
Yes!
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: Allemano on December 16, 2018, 02:03:05 PM
any Peugeot?
No
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: tobytwirl on December 16, 2018, 02:15:01 PM
Any Fiat 1200/1100 connection?
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: Allemano on December 16, 2018, 02:42:31 PM
Any Fiat 1200/1100 connection?
No
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: D-type on December 16, 2018, 06:09:35 PM
From Czechoslovakia?
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: Allemano on December 17, 2018, 02:50:26 AM
From Czechoslovakia?
No
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: barrett on December 17, 2018, 05:55:05 AM
There's a lot going on here! It has styling elements from so many contemporary cars, it could almost be anything.

A wild guess: a Mazda prototype for the Familia model, with rotary engine, from about 1966
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: Allemano on December 17, 2018, 06:04:46 AM
From a Warsaw Pact or ex-Warsaw Pact country?
Yes!
There's a lot going on here! It has styling elements from so many contemporary cars, it could almost be anything.

A wild guess: a Mazda prototype for the Familia model, with rotary engine, from about 1966
;) 
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: barrett on December 17, 2018, 06:09:51 AM
 :-X
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: norberthanke on December 17, 2018, 06:16:47 AM
Bertone had a try
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: Allemano on December 17, 2018, 06:24:22 AM
Bertone had a try
not on this one.
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: barrett on December 17, 2018, 12:25:25 PM
Sachsenring?
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: Allemano on December 17, 2018, 12:50:41 PM
Sachsenring?
No
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: barrett on December 17, 2018, 01:00:25 PM
From a 'known' manufacturer, or a private project?
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: Allemano on December 17, 2018, 01:20:10 PM
From a 'known' manufacturer, or a private project?
At least one 'known' manufacturer was involved and a few rather obscure ones, too. These are not completely unknown for the Autopuzzles.com community though..
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: D-type on December 17, 2018, 06:38:25 PM
To carry on the process of elimination: is it East German?
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: Allemano on December 17, 2018, 11:17:19 PM
To carry on the process of elimination: is it East German?
Yes!
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: targhediferro on December 18, 2018, 05:33:07 AM
Wartburg prototype than become the NSU RO 80?
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: D-type on December 18, 2018, 09:43:28 AM
Wartburg prototype than become the NSU RO 80?
I just have to ask:  "Is it a Wartburg prototype that DID NOT become the NSU Ro80?   ;)
Don't bother replying as I'm not serious.
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: Allemano on December 18, 2018, 12:06:28 PM
Wartburg prototype than become the NSU RO 80?
I just have to ask:  "Is it a Wartburg prototype that DID NOT become the NSU Ro80?   ;)
Don't bother replying as I'm not serious.
that's almost correct, but the story is more complicated
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: Allemano on December 18, 2018, 12:07:02 PM
Wartburg prototype than become the NSU RO 80?
that's not entirely correct! 😉
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: targhediferro on December 18, 2018, 02:51:57 PM
So...is it a Wartburg prototype?
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: Allemano on December 18, 2018, 03:00:49 PM
Guess you can say it was a Wartburg prototype, but a very special one..
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: D-type on December 18, 2018, 03:02:19 PM
So...is it a Wartburg prototype?
My apologies  - I didn't mean to disrupt your responses.
Was it Wankel-powered?
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: Allemano on December 18, 2018, 04:15:04 PM
So...is it a Wartburg prototype?
My apologies  - I didn't mean to disrupt your responses.
Was it Wankel-powered?
no
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: Allemano on December 27, 2018, 11:26:51 AM
might not be too hard for Pros!
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: oko94 on December 27, 2018, 11:33:12 AM
Wartburg P100 (BM 314) ?
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: Allemano on December 27, 2018, 11:37:58 AM
Wartburg P100 (BM 314) ?
Wartburg yes, but not a P100
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: Wendax on December 27, 2018, 11:42:29 AM
Kunststoffversuchswagen DDR
Glass-fibre reinforced plastic body made by Hans Wax on Wartburg 353 chassis, six-cylinder two-stroke engine by Müller-Andernach, built in 1968.
The engine was changed later on to a normal Wartburg engine. The car was scrapped around 1989/1990.
Title: Re: Allemano's comeback - at least for one puzzle
Post by: Allemano on December 27, 2018, 12:00:05 PM
Yes.
Biography of Hans Wax is quite interisting. Tried to find out for years who he was regarding the Wax Alfa Romeo we had here long before.
https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2012-41/solved-allemano's-8470-732-1961-62-wax-alfa-romeo/msg188081/#msg188081
Reading about his life I'm not surprised anymore that his story was deleted from (West-German) history..


Another point for Wendax, the Eddy Merckx of Autopuzzles..
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's comeback - 1968 Wartburg Kunststoffversuchswagen bodied by Hans Wax
Post by: Wendax on December 27, 2018, 12:05:59 PM
Thank you. I've had the pictures for about two years in my Unknown folder. When I saw your puzzle I thought it would be the right time to renew the search and I found a enlightening blog entry.
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's comeback - 1968 Wartburg Kunststoffversuchswagen bodied by Hans Wax
Post by: Allemano on December 27, 2018, 12:15:36 PM
Thanks for posting the not cropped pictures. Found it by chance while searching for more info of Hans Wax and finally after five years it popped up.