Author Topic: GG-145 Hugenholtz Delfino (Read 11583 times)

guido66 · « **on:** April 23, 2010, 04:37:00 PM »

Know it? A point will be yours. Picture changed because of a re-post.

guido66 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 01, 2010, 08:51:41 AM »

1 up..

Oswald · « **Reply #2 on:** May 02, 2010, 09:23:13 AM »

That's the Delfino from The Netherlands.
It' was based on an Alfasud.

guido66 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 02, 2010, 11:15:52 AM »

Yep, it's the Delfino! Do you know who designed it? Locked for you

DeAutogids.nl · « **Reply #4 on:** May 02, 2010, 11:38:23 AM »

F. that! I have only seen a picture in one book and yours is clearly differen. I'd like to know what came of it, as the book most people here have as a source doesn't mention it.

guido66 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 02, 2010, 12:48:42 PM »

Patience, all will be revealed in time...

I'll learn a bit from all of you. I didn't even know this thing was Alfasud based

Oswald · « **Reply #6 on:** May 02, 2010, 02:51:40 PM »

The Delfino project was masterminded by Hans Hugenholtz, who was the founding director of the Zandvoort racing circuit and designer of a few other tracks too.
His son, Hans Hugenholtz junior, who is now a board member of Spyker Cars was involved in the car too.

I am not sure if they designed the Delfino themselves, but they must have had a hand into the design at least.

guido66 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 02, 2010, 04:53:42 PM »

You've got it. Well done!

The caption that came with this photo was: A prototype of a super-sleek car as designed in 1947 by Hugenholtz, shown at the 1989 Autovak RAI. This car is mentioned in a few other lists out there on the web as the Hugenholtz Delfino.

I'll give you the point, but leave it open for a while to see what others have to add

DeAutogids.nl · « **Reply #8 on:** May 03, 2010, 05:24:48 AM »

Quote from: guido66 on May 02, 2010, 04:53:42 PM

You've got it. Well done!

The caption that came with this photo was: A prototype of a super-sleek car as designed in 1947 by Hugenholtz, shown at the 1989 Autovak RAI. This car is mentioned in a few other lists out there on the web as the Hugenholtz Delfino.

I'll give you the point, but leave it open for a while to see what others have to add

I believe the caption to be wrong, the car designed in 1947 was shown in the eighties at the RAI. This car was a different one, called Barkey and shown at the 1985 RAI.

guido66 · « **Reply #9 on:** May 03, 2010, 02:35:40 PM »

According to wikipedia the Barkey is from 1948 and the Alfasud based Delfino from 1989. The reference mentioned there is the book you were referring to.

Can anyone shed more light on this? I'll move it to the pros, so they can give their input, too

DeAutogids.nl · « **Reply #10 on:** May 03, 2010, 02:38:57 PM »

Well, my source states that the Delfino did grow out of an unrelated idea at the time of the Barkey, that of a people mover. The prototype of the Barkey was shown in 1985, the Delfino a couple years later, but as a mock-up of 1:1 car. Apparently, it was the idea that Hugenholtz Sr. had at the time of the Barkey design that he never truly worked from until1987. His son took over the project in around the time it was shown. Apparently it was shipped to Italy, where it wasto be "completed" but after that I have no reference to the car what so ver.

75america · « **Reply #11 on:** May 03, 2010, 04:16:45 PM »

According to the book Zukunfstautos der 80er jahre, it was based on an Alfa Romeo 33. (1717 cm³ 115 Hp).

DeAutogids.nl · « **Reply #12 on:** May 03, 2010, 04:26:32 PM »

It uses an 1.7 liter Alfa Romeo boxer engine, my source states. It states beyond that "with the Alfasud technology, in 1988 a specially designed platform was developed, with many welded reinforcements and a body made out of polyester. It repeats itselfs there more or less with the same wording divided over 3 stences.

Supposedly a CW of just 0.21, front wheel drive and economical at 5l/100km.

DeAutogids.nl · « **Reply #13 on:** May 03, 2010, 04:40:27 PM »

This is the forementioned Barkey from 1947.

guido66 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 04, 2010, 12:25:39 PM »

So, I guess this case is closed now!

DeAutogids.nl · « **Reply #15 on:** May 04, 2010, 12:49:06 PM »

I only have info upto say 1990, but what ever happened to it?

Allemano · « **Reply #16 on:** May 04, 2010, 01:29:15 PM »

Infos are in the 80s concept car book by Roger Gloor.
Will add some more soon.

DeAutogids · « **Reply #17 on:** August 12, 2010, 02:26:41 PM »

That info never appeared.

But what is interesting to know is that at least part of the car was made by a Kitcar-builder called EWB. Apparently, according to my source, the car never had working lights, an exhaust or even a radiator (but he said it was driving).

Awkwardly enough, the car had just one door.

Allemano · « **Reply #18 on:** August 12, 2010, 02:46:34 PM »

Oh sorry! Completely forgotten!
Will add some infos tomorrow!

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #19 on:** August 12, 2010, 03:14:41 PM »

That book! I really can't remember where I put mine.

Allemano · « **Reply #20 on:** August 14, 2010, 07:35:04 AM »

Here you go:
Usually most of the Dutch understand German. Seldom it's vice versa.. (schubladisiert = shelved)

DeAutogids · « **Reply #21 on:** August 16, 2010, 10:39:16 AM »

It's kinda what we knew already, but thanks.

I know what a "schublade" is, so it made sense to me.
It's a drawer in a cabinet.

Allemano · « **Reply #22 on:** August 16, 2010, 10:55:28 AM »

"In der Schublade verschwinden" is a common idiom for abandoned, shelved or still-born projects in Germany. The verb "schubladisiert" seems to be a Swiss mannerism.

DeAutogids · « **Reply #23 on:** November 16, 2010, 04:20:42 PM »

I got some new insights in this car thanks to the person who build it.

DeAutogids · « **Reply #24 on:** November 16, 2010, 04:52:45 PM »

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