Author Topic: SAC#1060 :Bentley overdrive 1940 ( rebodied by S.Gilmore ?)  (Read 13314 times)

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Re: SAC#1060 :
« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2015, 03:45:07 AM »
Is it by a European coachbuilder, like Serra?
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Re: SAC#1060 :
« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2015, 04:03:02 AM »
A European coach builder but not Serra !

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Re: SAC#1060 :
« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2015, 04:29:52 AM »
A European coach builder but not Serra !

French coachbuilder, e.g. Barou?
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Re: SAC#1060 :
« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2015, 05:20:30 AM »
Not a French coach builder !

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Re: SAC#1060 :
« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2015, 05:22:52 AM »
Not a French coach builder !

Belgian?
Is this a Bentley MkVI?
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Re: SAC#1060 :
« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2015, 06:47:48 AM »
Not Belgian !
I just know the base of the car and the owner that is perhaps the coach builder !
Not a Bentley MkVI !

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Re: SAC#1060 :
« Reply #31 on: December 17, 2015, 09:08:27 AM »
Wire wheels were normal on the 1930s 3½ and 4¼ litre cars so I'd suggest it's a post-war rebody of one of those.
I shall also suggest it was done in Britain.
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Re: SAC#1060 :
« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2015, 10:05:16 AM »
Graber?

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Re: SAC#1060 :
« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2015, 10:24:40 AM »
Not by Graber !
Yes ! it was done in Britain

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Re: SAC#1060 :
« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2015, 11:25:16 AM »
You said earlier that the body may have been built by the owner - am I correct in thinking that this is not a documented coachbuilder?

(Like Allan I think this is a Derby Bentley and it has shades of Park Ward and maybe Hooper about it, but they would never have created something like this!)
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Re: SAC#1060 :
« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2015, 11:47:06 AM »
Is it by a European coachbuilder, like Serra?
A European coach builder but not Serra !

Actually by 'European' I meant as opposed to British..
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Re: SAC#1060 :
« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2015, 12:12:50 PM »
Is it by a European coachbuilder, like Serra?
A European coach builder but not Serra !

Actually by 'European' I meant as opposed to British..
bit like "fog in the channel - Europe cut off"
 8)

We now know it was done in Britain. Is it a post-war rebody of the pre-war Bentley as I suggested?
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Re: SAC#1060 :
« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2015, 02:05:10 PM »
Yes !it's a pre-war Bentley ,re-body in the United Kingdom ! ;)

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Re: SAC#1060 :
« Reply #38 on: December 18, 2015, 04:09:37 AM »
Actually by 'European' I meant as opposed to British..
bit like "fog in the channel - Europe cut off"
 8)

Next time I'll qualify 'European' by adding 'mainland' or 'continental'!
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Re: SAC#1060 :
« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2015, 06:26:26 AM »
Bentley 3.5 litre as base car ?

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Re: SAC#1060 :
« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2015, 08:28:18 AM »
I don't know ; just it's a car from 1940!

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Re: SAC#1060 :
« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2015, 01:12:08 PM »
Is it one of the Capt. McLeod Bentleys?
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Re: SAC#1060 :
« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2015, 01:37:16 PM »
I don't know ; just it's a car from 1940!
That'd make it a 4¼ litre, but I'd say not many Bentleys were made in 1940 as the Derby cranemaker had more pressing work.
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Re: SAC#1060 :
« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2015, 01:49:39 PM »
Not McLeod Bentleys !

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Re: SAC#1060 :
« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2015, 03:23:40 PM »
I don't know ; just it's a car from 1940!
That'd make it a 4¼ litre, but I'd say not many Bentleys were made in 1940 as the Derby cranemaker had more pressing work.

The last Bentleys made before production ceased were the new MkV model, of which only 9 chassis were constructed. These were sold and bodied in 1940 and even 1941, although the chassis had been built in 1939.

If the OP's source says this is a 1940 Bentley, the it's probably a MkV rebodied in this more modern style in the early 1960s. I still can't find it though! Surely somebody must have individual records of these cars?
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Re: SAC#1060 :
« Reply #45 on: December 18, 2015, 04:58:42 PM »
Tickford?

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Re: SAC#1060 :
« Reply #46 on: December 19, 2015, 02:02:03 AM »
Not Tickford !
Yes ! it's B135MX with delivery date 9th January 1940 !

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Re: SAC#1060 :
« Reply #47 on: December 20, 2015, 09:40:19 AM »
Coach work by Park Ward?
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Re: SAC#1060 :
« Reply #48 on: December 20, 2015, 01:41:08 PM »
Yes ! Coach work by Park Ward and rebuild in the 60's !

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Re: SAC#1060 :
« Reply #49 on: December 20, 2015, 01:52:13 PM »
That's confusing. In your reply #30 you said you knew the owner who was perhaps the builder, so I assumed it was not made by a known coachbuilder. I suggested in my reply #34 that it had the looks of Park Ward.  Is there anything else you need to solve this puzzle, because I think that Djetset has finalised everything?
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