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Solved (All but 1)-PJ- Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« on: June 02, 2018, 04:31:39 PM »
Here you are 40 cars.
Some of them are quite easy, other ones are pretty hard and many of them are still obscure to me too.

Each puzzler can post a guess ONE TIME and then wait 24hr for the next one.
In the same post, he can have a go to 3 different cars.


1 point for 4 correct answers.
10 points available (in theory...)
Consider that Alfa Romeo never made most of these cars and I'm after the actual builder. I know how they are named, but this is Autopuzzles ;)


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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2018, 04:31:56 PM »
11-20
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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2018, 04:32:07 PM »
21-30
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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2018, 04:32:16 PM »
31-40
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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2018, 04:32:38 PM »
Correct answers:

1arb: Alfa Romeo Sprint Barchetta 2500 CM 1955  by Giorgio Greppi Oko94
2arb: Alfa 6C 3000 CM Spider Colli 1953 Carnut
3arb: Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 CM Spider 1953 oko94
4arb: ASA 3000 CM by Nestor Salerno oko94
5arb: Alfa Romeo C52 3000 MM recreation owned by Al Cortes  by Steve Bonacker Oko94
6arb: ASA C52 by Nestor Salerno Carnut
7arb: Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 Spider Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to Oko94.
8arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante Spyder by Nestor Salerno oko94
9arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Sportiva 1955 by Carrozzeria Marconato  Oko94
10arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 'Conrero' Evocation by Giorgio Greppi Oko94
11arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 SS Barchetta Conrero 1955 by Giorgio Greppi Oko94
12arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Spider Colli Tubolare Gilco 1953 Wendax
13arb:  Alfa Romeo Disco Volante Fianchi Stretti recreation 1952 by Greppi Oko94
14arb: Alfa Romeo 6c 2500 Barchetta Evocation Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to oko94
15arb: Alfa Romeo 1900SS Barchetta Stradale 1954 by Giorgio Greppi Oko94
16arb: Alfa 1900 Barchetta with 2.4L Alfa Engine 1963  by Reklus  Oko94
17arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Conrero by Reklus  Oko94
18arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta 1953 from Argentina by Coto Girelli Oko94
19arb: Alfa Romeo Barchetta by Nestor Salerno ASA based on a '61 Giulietta Sprint Coupe Wendax
20arb: Alfa Romeo Sport Speciale by Nestor Salerno 1968 Carnut
21arb:  Alfa RomeoDisco Volante recreation by Alexander Bacon Carnut
22arb: Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 PR 1953 by Salvatore Diomante  Oko94
23arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta 1953 by Nestor Salerno oko94
24arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Disco Volante 'fianchi stretti' recreation by OHA Automobiles Pnegyesi
25arb:  Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Frianchistretti Replica  Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to Wendax
26arb: Alfa Romeo 1800 Barchetta 1953 from Jakarta  Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to  pnegyesi
27arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 SS Barchetta  Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to Carnut.
28arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 C52 Disco Volante „fianchi stretti“ 1952 Wendax
29arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante recreation by Motorima  oko94
30arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante re-creation by Diego De Luca/Vintage Racing Cars oko94 ropat53
31arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante C52 by Touring Carnut
32arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante Evocazione based on a 1900 by Carrozzeria Coriasco Pnegyesi
33arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante 'fianchi larghi' recreation based on a '58 1900 Super by Carrozzeria Ferrero Pnegyesi
34arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante 'fianchi larghi' recreation based on a '83 Duetto by Carrozzeria Ferrero Pnegyesi
35arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante recreation from Georgia  Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to Wendax
36arb: Fiat 500 C Barchetta by Papini Wendax
37arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante replica Vintage Racing Cars / Jose Zarnes   oko94 Wendax
38arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante recreation based on a Eunos Roadster by Yoshinari Nakajima  oko94
39arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante replica (Tom Zat's) Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to oko94
40arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Sport 1954  by Giorgio Greppi Oko94

Bt1- Alfa Romeo Barchetta by Nestor Salerno  Oko94
Bt2- Alfa Romeo Barchetta by Reklus  Oko94
Bt3- 2 points if you know.

Results:

Oko94: 22 correct answers (1,3,4,5,7,9,10,11,13,14,15,16,17,18,22,23,29,30,37,38,39,40) plus 3 Bonus Alfas= 6 points
Carnut: 5 correct answers (2,6,20,27,31) plus 1 point for #21= 2 points
Wendax: 7 correct answers (12,19,25,28,35,36,37) = 1 point
Pnegyesi: 5 correct answers (24,26,32,33,34) = 1 point
ropat53:  1 correct answer (30) = 0 points
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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2018, 04:47:33 PM »
3arb : 1953 Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 CM Zagato Spider, displayed at Pebble Beach in 2005.
14arb : Alfa Romeo Barchetta 2500 6C Derivata Barchetta Corsa Evocation, chassis : Fiat 1100 GILCO, engine : 1949 2500 6C Alfa Romeo. Featured in NEH 4061 puzzle.
30arb : Alfa Romeo Disco Volante re-creation made in Argentina.

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2018, 04:49:54 PM »
8arb: 1959 Alfa Romeo 2600 Conrero
10arb: 1953 Alfa Romeo 1900 Conrero
28arb: 1952 Alfa Romeo 1900 C52 Disco Volante „fianchi stretti“ at the Moulhouse museum

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2018, 05:17:14 PM »
 :lmao: Great idea!
I must be right - that's what it says on Wikipedia

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2018, 05:32:53 PM »
3arb : 1953 Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 CM Zagato Spider, displayed at Pebble Beach in 2005.
14arb : Alfa Romeo Barchetta 2500 6C Derivata Barchetta Corsa Evocation, chassis : Fiat 1100 GILCO, engine : 1949 2500 6C Alfa Romeo. Featured in NEH 4061 puzzle.
30arb : Alfa Romeo Disco Volante re-creation made in Argentina.

3arb: Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 CM Spider 1953 Correct!
14arb: Alfa Romeo never made such model. I doubt there's a Gilco chassis in there.
30arb: So far so good...but who made it?

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2018, 05:40:43 PM »
8arb: 1959 Alfa Romeo 2600 Conrero
10arb: 1953 Alfa Romeo 1900 Conrero
28arb: 1952 Alfa Romeo 1900 C52 Disco Volante „fianchi stretti“ at the Moulhouse museum

8arb & 10arb: They are not Alfa Romeo models and I suspect Conrero has nothing to do with them.
28arb:  Alfa Romeo 1900 C52 Disco Volante „fianchi stretti“ Correct!

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2018, 05:41:53 PM »
:lmao: Great idea!
Thank you. I hope it will not be a nightmare.

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2018, 05:58:47 PM »
14arb: Alfa Romeo never made such model. I doubt there's a Gilco chassis in there.

I agree, it's not a genuine Alfa Romeo but an evocation including parts from various cars. Do you expect the builder's name ?

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2018, 06:02:56 PM »
30arb: So far so good...but who made it?

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2018, 06:30:30 PM »
Fantastic puzzle!  I'll have a go at these three:

20 arb is a Barchetta evocation built in Argentina in 1968 by Nestor Salerno with a 2000GTV engine.

2 arb is a 1953 Alfa 6C 3000 CM Spider built by Colli.

5 arb is described as a 1954 Alfa 1900 Barchetta bodied by Colli; it seems to be an original.
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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2018, 12:18:31 AM »
32arb: In the mid-1950s, a wealthy Milanese client commissioned Carrozzeria Corasco of Turin to build a copy of the famous Disco Volante around a tubular steel chassis of a 1954 Alfa Romeo 1900 Super dressed with aluminum bodywork.

Both 33arb and 34arb were built by Carozzeria Ferrero
I am getting very confused here, but I believe 33arb was built at the end of the 1980s, donor Alfa Romeo 1900 Super
34arb based on Alfa Romeo Spider, early 1980s
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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2018, 12:30:53 AM »
Beautiful Cars!!!!

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2018, 02:41:01 AM »
14arb: Alfa Romeo never made such model. I doubt there's a Gilco chassis in there.

I agree, it's not a genuine Alfa Romeo but an evocation including parts from various cars. Do you expect the builder's name ?
Yes, when possible I'd like to know the real builders.
30arb: So far so good...but who made it?
Vintage Racing Cars

I know it seems just like that, but according to what I found it's not. VRC sells cars built by other too and this one cames from a different company.

Fantastic puzzle!  I'll have a go at these three:

20 arb is a Barchetta evocation built in Argentina in 1968 by Nestor Salerno with a 2000GTV engine.

2 arb is a 1953 Alfa 6C 3000 CM Spider built by Colli.

5 arb is described as a 1954 Alfa 1900 Barchetta bodied by Colli; it seems to be an original.

20arb: Alfa Romeo Sport Speciale by Nestor Salerno 1968 Correct!
2arb: Alfa 6C 3000 CM Spider Colli 1953 Correct!
5arb: not an Alfa Romeo.

32arb: In the mid-1950s, a wealthy Milanese client commissioned Carrozzeria Corasco of Turin to build a copy of the famous Disco Volante around a tubular steel chassis of a 1954 Alfa Romeo 1900 Super dressed with aluminum bodywork.

Both 33arb and 34arb were built by Carozzeria Ferrero
I am getting very confused here, but I believe 33arb was built at the end of the 1980s, donor Alfa Romeo 1900 Super
34arb based on Alfa Romeo Spider, early 1980s

32arb: This is the story available around. I have the feeling Coriasco has nothing to do with it (and hopefully Als15's new book will solve the mistery) but so far I'll have to accept it.
Alfa Romeo Disco Volante Evocazione based on a 1900 by Carrozzeria Coriasco (?) Correct!
33arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante 'fianchi larghi' recreation based on a '58 1900 Super by Carrozzeria Ferrero Correct!
34arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante 'fianchi larghi' recreation based on a '83 Duetto by Carrozzeria Ferrero Correct!

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2018, 04:37:46 AM »


Fantastic puzzle!  I'll have a go at these three:

20 arb is a Barchetta evocation built in Argentina in 1968 by Nestor Salerno with a 2000GTV engine.

2 arb is a 1953 Alfa 6C 3000 CM Spider built by Colli.

5 arb is described as a 1954 Alfa 1900 Barchetta bodied by Colli; it seems to be an original.

20arb: Alfa Romeo Sport Speciale by Nestor Salerno 1968 Correct!
2arb: Alfa 6C 3000 CM Spider Colli 1953 Correct!
5arb: not an Alfa Romeo.



Sorry - I made a mistake with 5 arb.
I didn't mean 5 arb at all - I meant 6 arb..
So my answer should have read:

6 arb is described as a 1954 Alfa 1900 Barchetta bodied by Colli; it seems to be an original.
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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2018, 03:18:31 PM »


Fantastic puzzle!  I'll have a go at these three:

20 arb is a Barchetta evocation built in Argentina in 1968 by Nestor Salerno with a 2000GTV engine.

2 arb is a 1953 Alfa 6C 3000 CM Spider built by Colli.

5 arb is described as a 1954 Alfa 1900 Barchetta bodied by Colli; it seems to be an original.

20arb: Alfa Romeo Sport Speciale by Nestor Salerno 1968 Correct!
2arb: Alfa 6C 3000 CM Spider Colli 1953 Correct!
5arb: not an Alfa Romeo.



Sorry - I made a mistake with 5 arb.
I didn't mean 5 arb at all - I meant 6 arb..
So my answer should have read:

6 arb is described as a 1954 Alfa 1900 Barchetta bodied by Colli; it seems to be an original.

The answer doesn't change, that is not an original Alfa Romeo

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2018, 04:47:55 PM »
4arb : ASA 3000 CM by Nestor Salerno (Argentina).
8arb : Alfa Romeo Disco Volante Spyder by Nestor Salerno (Argentina).
29arb : Alfa Romeo Disco Volante recreation by Motorima (Sweden).

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2018, 04:50:03 PM »
12arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Spider Colli Tubolare Gilco, built in 1953 by Colli under the
leadership of Fusi, for a Mr. Benvenuti from Napoli using the 1900 mechanicals and
a Gilco chassis #0029853, also known as the Arenghi-Annoni car.

19arb: Alfa Romeo Barchetta, built in Argentina by Nestor Salerno/ASA based on a 1961 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint Coupe, now powered by a 170 hp two-litre engine

36arb: 1954 Fiat 500 C Barchetta by Trevisan

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2018, 04:53:19 PM »
30arb: So far so good...but who made it?
Vintage Racing Cars

I know it seems just like that, but according to what I found it's not. VRC sells cars built by other too and this one cames from a different company.

As I have just posted a new 3-car guess, shall I wait another 24 hours before I try to complete my answer about 30arb ?

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2018, 05:47:36 PM »
4arb : ASA 3000 CM by Nestor Salerno (Argentina).
8arb : Alfa Romeo Disco Volante Spyder by Nestor Salerno (Argentina).
29arb : Alfa Romeo Disco Volante recreation by Motorima (Sweden).
4arb: Correct!
8arb: Correct!
29arb: Correct!

12arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Spider Colli Tubolare Gilco, built in 1953 by Colli under the
leadership of Fusi, for a Mr. Benvenuti from Napoli using the 1900 mechanicals and
a Gilco chassis #0029853, also known as the Arenghi-Annoni car.

19arb: Alfa Romeo Barchetta, built in Argentina by Nestor Salerno/ASA based on a 1961 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint Coupe, now powered by a 170 hp two-litre engine

36arb: 1954 Fiat 500 C Barchetta by Trevisan

12arb: Correct!
19arb: Correct!
36arb: Not by Trevisan. (I found out the whole story of that car, finally)

30arb: So far so good...but who made it?
Vintage Racing Cars

I know it seems just like that, but according to what I found it's not. VRC sells cars built by other too and this one cames from a different company.

As I have just posted a new 3-car guess, shall I wait another 24 hours before I try to complete my answer about 30arb ?

Each 24 hours, you can have a go. You already score 3/3 with your last guess. Tomorrow, you can decide to use your 3 guesses to fix #30 or to solve others ;)

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2018, 06:21:56 PM »
Let's try 3 these then for today's guesses:

7 ARB: 1957 Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Conrero Telaio Tubolare

27 ARB: Alfa Romeo 1900 SS Barchetta Bertone prototype prepared by Conrero – 1954

31 ARB: Alfa Romeo Sport C52 Disco Volante by Touring
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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2018, 03:34:31 AM »
Let's try 3 these then for today's guesses:

7 ARB: 1957 Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Conrero Telaio Tubolare

27 ARB: Alfa Romeo 1900 SS Barchetta Bertone prototype prepared by Conrero – 1954

31 ARB: Alfa Romeo Sport C52 Disco Volante by Touring

Things are going to be more complicated in the future. I do not have the answer to some of the cars in the puzzle: I will accept the mostly common name they are known by, but if anyone will find a conclusive proof, it will be settled.

7arb: I have not the answer to this. I suspect it's not original.
27arb: I have not a definitive answer but a strong suspect on this one.
31: Correct!

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