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Re: The Encyclopaedia of Italian Coachbuilders
« Reply #75 on: May 09, 2016, 11:30:22 AM »
Moto Torino

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Re: The Encyclopaedia of Italian Coachbuilders
« Reply #76 on: May 09, 2016, 11:36:24 AM »
EverYoung I´d found in a Trump Card. I have to find my Trump Card collection at mom´s house, but attached a Picture from internet, sorry for the very bad resolution. 


:) That's the Fiat 127 Every by Michelotti.

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Re: The Encyclopaedia of Italian Coachbuilders
« Reply #77 on: May 09, 2016, 11:41:06 AM »
OK. And I think that Trump Cards are the source with less reliablity :)

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Re: The Encyclopaedia of Italian Coachbuilders
« Reply #78 on: May 09, 2016, 04:18:31 PM »
There was a coachbuilder from Mogliano Veneto who bodied this Fiat 500 A sport with some aluminum taken from an american airplane (and reinforced with steel taken from some chairs stolen from a bar!)
Unfortunately my source doesn't report its name...The car was (or still is) owned by Piero Mossenta.

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Re: The Encyclopaedia of Italian Coachbuilders
« Reply #79 on: May 14, 2016, 05:51:03 PM »
Great finding today!
Crossing some sources, I identified the name of the first Italian coachbuilder. He is a craftsman from Padua - Domenico Calore - which built in 1894 the body for Professor Enrico Bernardi's tricycle. Being it built a few months before Karl Benz's one, Domenico Calore is also the first man in the automotive history to build a body for a self-moving, combustion-engine-propelled vehicle.
Rather unbelivable that his name is almost completely forgotten today!



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Re: The Encyclopaedia of Italian Coachbuilders
« Reply #80 on: May 15, 2016, 02:44:13 AM »
Being it built a few months before Karl Benz's one, Domenico Calore is also the first man in the automotive history to build a body for a self-moving, combustion-engine-propelled vehicle.
1894 is nine years after Carl Benz' first test drives, and eight years after Gottlieb Daimler ordered the coach at Wagenbaufabrik Wilhelm Wimpff & Sohn for his first Motorkutsche.  ???

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Re: The Encyclopaedia of Italian Coachbuilders
« Reply #81 on: May 15, 2016, 01:32:22 PM »
Being it built a few months before Karl Benz's one, Domenico Calore is also the first man in the automotive history to build a body for a self-moving, combustion-engine-propelled vehicle.
1894 is nine years after Carl Benz' first test drives, and eight years after Gottlieb Daimler ordered the coach at Wagenbaufabrik Wilhelm Wimpff & Sohn for his first Motorkutsche.  ???

You are right. I made I mistake.
Prof. Bernardi indeed built his first tricycle in 1884, a few months before Benz.
But going deeper into the coachbuilding side of the story, it would be hard to believe that any coachbuilder actually contributed, as  this first vehicle is very basic, without a real body: just a board with wheels and engine.
So, when Calore is said to "have coachbuilt all Prof. Bernardi's vehicles" I would rather guess we could consider only the serial production, that indeed begun in 1894, after some further experiments.

Therefore, Domenico Calore is for sure the first one to have coachbuilt a car completely made in Italy.

The first car sold in Italy was a Peugeot Type 3. It was assembled in late 1892 by Costruzioni Meccaniche di Saronno, but I believe that the body was coming from France, as all the other parts.
Giuseppe Ricordi begun importing the Benz Velo in 1894 and having them bodied (before establishing his own coach-building workshop, in 1898) by Belloni.

Who was the first? I'd say anyway Calore, as he started cooperating with Bernardi years before Ricordi displayed in Milan the first Benz, but I'll dig more to be sure.

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Re: The Encyclopaedia of Italian Coachbuilders
« Reply #82 on: June 01, 2016, 08:52:46 AM »
What about Dino Cognolato's Carrozzeria Nova Rinascente in Vigonza?

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Re: The Encyclopaedia of Italian Coachbuilders
« Reply #83 on: June 04, 2016, 12:04:29 PM »
All replicas or restorations. He never made original cars, AFAIK.

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Re: The Encyclopaedia of Italian Coachbuilders
« Reply #84 on: June 15, 2016, 09:47:56 AM »
This time I need the support of a Bugatti specialist.
I bumped into records of two Italian coachbuilt Bugattis that looks impossible to find anywhere:

- Carrozzeria Pattaro & Pesce entered a Bugatti at the 1950 Lido di Venezia concourse d'elegance. Any picture of it?
- Carrozzeria Vertua is supposed to have coachbuilt a Bugatti Torpedo in 1926 (the car is still around). Any info on this company?

Carrozzeria Vértua, Via Muratori 5 in Milan, coachbuilt a Bugatti Type 30. There is a nice article in a magazine I'm reading right now ;)

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Re: The Encyclopaedia of Italian Coachbuilders
« Reply #85 on: August 25, 2016, 04:34:44 AM »
Can you tell me which car is it?
The answer is probably very easy, but it looks I'm tired and I can't recognize it...  :scratch: It's driving me crazy...

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Re: The Encyclopaedia of Italian Coachbuilders
« Reply #86 on: August 25, 2016, 05:06:29 AM »
An Audi Q7 turned into a funeral car.
You wanna be the man, you gotta Name That Car!

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Re: The Encyclopaedia of Italian Coachbuilders
« Reply #87 on: August 25, 2016, 05:43:01 AM »
Q7! Yes. I spent hours around smaller cars, but it is indeed a Q7! Many thanks.

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Re: The Encyclopaedia of Italian Coachbuilders
« Reply #88 on: August 26, 2016, 03:46:55 AM »
 :)
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Re: The Encyclopaedia of Italian Coachbuilders
« Reply #89 on: August 29, 2016, 12:51:29 PM »
About Bonora,
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Bonora (Torino - ?-1922)
is it possible that is Giuseppe Bonora from Bologna, Via Maggiore 185, the same Bonora that held the patent for the inlets used for fast refuelling during races, known as the Maserati Type? The same Bonora that coachbuilt this:
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/solved-autopuzzles/solved-pj693-mm-racing-car-bodied-by-bonora-around-1939/msg390852/#msg390852

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Re: The Encyclopaedia of Italian Coachbuilders
« Reply #90 on: August 30, 2016, 11:40:28 AM »
No idea...the MM car was 15 years later and in Bologna.
The guy from Turin was Menotti Bonora (not Giuseppe) and run at leat 3 companies: Carrozzeria Bonora (until 1922), Carrozzeria Vittoria (1922-1923, same name of Viberti's first company, but no connection with him) and Carrozzeria Aquila (1923-?).
I believe he is not the same.
But I've also no info about the one based in Bologna and making the MM (and I'm not very sure about the only source that mentions him).

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Re: The Encyclopaedia of Italian Coachbuilders
« Reply #91 on: August 30, 2016, 11:58:51 AM »
They are not the same, then.
The MM (and Giuseppe Bonora) is also featured in the book "Moto Bolognesi degli anni 1930-1945" ( Campigotto Antonio - Grandi Maura - Ruffini Enrico ) with a couple of pictures.

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Re: The Encyclopaedia of Italian Coachbuilders
« Reply #92 on: August 31, 2016, 03:54:56 AM »
Do you have this book or do you know what extactly says about Bonora? Was he a coachbuilder?

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Re: The Encyclopaedia of Italian Coachbuilders
« Reply #93 on: December 13, 2016, 06:18:18 AM »
Almost done! The book is at the printer. They are working and it will be available by the end of January.
Meanwhile, I'm also making something more. A special edition and some artwork about Italian coachbuilding.
This is the first, a limited edition of 25 copies of an aluminum panel, 70x32 cm, showing the evolution of Italian car shapes.
Let me know if somebody will pre-order one (the price is 100 € plus shipping).

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Re: The Encyclopaedia of Italian Coachbuilders
« Reply #94 on: December 13, 2016, 09:00:50 AM »
Congratulations, that's a big job!  Is the price of the Limited Edition 100 Euros, or is that the cost of the 'regular' edition please?
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Re: The Encyclopaedia of Italian Coachbuilders
« Reply #95 on: December 13, 2016, 09:32:36 AM »
The regular edition (2 volumes 23x32 cm, 644 pages, with hardbound in metallic paper and slipcase in cardboard) will cost 150 €.
The limited edition, with fine canvas bound, wooden slipcase and some more feature still in definition, will cost 450 € (100 numbered and signed copies only, 50 in Italian and 50 in English).
100 € is the price for the "Italian style evolution" artwork: a 70x32 aluminum panel like this picture. 25 copies available.

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Re: The Encyclopaedia of Italian Coachbuilders
« Reply #96 on: December 13, 2016, 09:40:43 AM »
Great, thank you for the clarification.
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