Topic: Creating Accurate Solved Puzzles

[Djetset]

Just a thought, but a couple of useful enhancements to all solved puzzles would be for the quiz originator to add as much known additional information as possible, when appropriate, such as car or power train the vehicle is based on, plus more information about the designer, country of build and so on, if known.  At the very least, the make and model name should be given as a minimum, rather than the one word answer that so often appears.

Also in the interests of creating totally accurate solved puzzles, when the identity of a vehicle is in some dispute by fellow puzzlers, some proof by the puzzle originator of the car make and model should be given, as a few questionable 'correct' solved answers have appeared lately that do not appear to be 100% accurate. 

If anyone else has anything else to add to this debate, please feel free, as maybe I'm alone in often feeling 'short-changed' by wanting to know more about a solved car than simply a marque name.

[Paul Jaray]

I agree completely. We discussed about that before and I wrote just the same,to post all the additional pictures or info we have about some solved cars...and this is what I try to do when I can.

[Arunas]

as maybe I'm alone in often feeling 'short-changed' by wanting to know more about a solved car than simply a marque name.

You are not alone 

[D-type]

I've just seen this -

I agree 110%

[motorcar1]

D-Type,
A friend of mine actually has a D-Type sitting in his office, it is quite the office he sits in.

I am curious as I have never researched Jags famous design of where that styling came from, they are such beautiful and gracefull cars..

Was the Jag's C- type and D- type styling  and size from another manufacturer, Ferrarri, Maserati or what ?
Was it a Birdcage type build/structure ?
Was it Maserati that originated the birdcage as is so often wrote?

Just trying to finish up some research and need some input, were the Jags before the early summer of 1951?
John

[D-type]

Here goes.

First William Lyons and William Walmsey formed the Swallow Sidecar company. 
In time Lyons bought out  Walmsey and the company became the SwallowCoachwork company producing bodies for Austin 7, Wolsey Hornet, Standard 9 etc. 
Then they built their own chassis the "SS" with a Standard engine. SS might have stood for "Standard Swallow", "Standard Special", "Swallow Sports" or even "Swallow Sidecars" but the car was definitely an "SS" with models like the SS1, SS80 and SS100.
Immediately pre-WW2 they produced the "SS Jaguar" range of cars
After WW2 the term "SS" had Nazi connotations so the cars became Jaguars with substantially the same range as prewar.
Then at the 1948 Earls Court Motor Show  they introduced the Jaguar XK120 a sensationally styled sports car to showcase the new XK engine.  XK120 as it was claimed it could do 120mph. there was also a stillborn 2litre version the XK100 with a 4-cylinder version of the XK engine.
They raced the XK120 but it wasn't competitive with the sports racing cars from Ferrari, Maserati etc.  So they produced a competition version with the model reference the XK120C (C for competition).  This became known as the "C-Type Jaguar" and won Le Mans in 1951 and 1953.
As time went on the C-Type was outpaced so in 1954 Jaguar produced a "Competition Type Mk 2" which everybody called the D-Type.  Jaguar bowed to the inevitable and the car became the D-Type.  The first few had chassis numbers XKC.... but very quickly they changed to XKD.....
The D-type won Le Mans in 1955, 56 and 57.
Then they produced the road car they named the E-Type which for some reason was known as the XKE in the USA.

The styling of the Jaguars was by Jaguar employee Malcolm Sayer with no input from Ferrari or Maserati.

The C-Type had a triangulated tubular chassis but it wasn't a true space frame.  The D-Type had a "monocoque" or stressed skin centre section with tubular subframes at front and rear.

"Birdcage" is the nickname given to the Maserati Tipo 60 and 61 sports racers from 19which had a triangulated space frame of small diameter tubes resembling a birdcage as compared to the traditional "ladder" chassis that most sports cars used up to then.

Hope this potted history helps.

[motorcar1]

D-type,

Yes, you saved me from more research to pin down certain points, thanks.

Had a chance one time when I lived in Ut to pick up a Jag SS out of Wyoming.

The guy that owned it was a cattle rancher.
Someone had dropped it off, or lets say, dropped it in a wash gulley to stop errosion of a side bank, one never knows, do they?

Also found and bought a wrecked ""Pink """Pantera in Wyoming, it was a car given to a Playboy playmate of the year, when researched, the lady>>>> ended up becoming Jimmy Connors wife, yep, the tennis star.

Guess I have some unusual stories now that I think about it.
Kind of like scraping mud off of my feet on an early Ferrari TR race chassis, thats where I cut tree's down to get the Harris car.

Till the next time, thanks again D Type,
John

[Allemano]

Just a thought, but a couple of useful enhancements to all solved puzzles would be for the quiz originator to add as much known additional information as possible, when appropriate, such as car or power train the vehicle is based on, plus more information about the designer, country of build and so on, if known.  At the very least, the make and model name should be given as a minimum, rather than the one word answer that so often appears.

Also in the interests of creating totally accurate solved puzzles, when the identity of a vehicle is in some dispute by fellow puzzlers, some proof by the puzzle originator of the car make and model should be given, as a few questionable 'correct' solved answers have appeared lately that do not appear to be 100% accurate. 

If anyone else has anything else to add to this debate, please feel free, as maybe I'm alone in often feeling 'short-changed' by wanting to know more about a solved car than simply a marque name.

I agree to a certain extent. I usually provide additional infos of those cars which aren't available on the internet.
For those which are easily to find everyone is welcome to compile as many facts as possible...

[Paul Jaray]

I don't know where to post this, but...
when you search for something, the 'solved section' is not among the options. 

[Ray B.]

Yes it is, but everytime Ultra adds a new thread it moves to the column on the right.

[Paul Jaray]

I need a rest...
Thank you!