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Solved -PJ60- DKR Saloon 1953-1954
« on: March 23, 2009, 01:46:07 PM »
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Re: PJ - 60
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2009, 02:23:30 PM »
German?
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Re: PJ - 60
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2009, 02:24:56 PM »
Nein...
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Re: PJ - 60
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2009, 03:41:54 PM »
Aaaaarggghhh! I know this! It's in one of my books far away at home. I know the country but won't reveal to much.....
I'll solve it next weekend if it's still in this section.  :-[
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Re: PJ - 60
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2009, 06:34:34 PM »
If the info at a particular site I've found is correct, this is from Denmark, and is a 1953-54 DKR. (Or it could be the 1950 DK prototype, made by basically the same people, but I think that's less likely.) Can't find any info on any model name ever used with this make, however.
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Re: PJ - 60
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2009, 07:00:08 PM »
Please read more carefully the index page.
"...The Best in the World at Identifying Rare Automobiles. This section is open to all AutoPuzzlers! No links here, please..."

Beiong rather new here, you are forgiven.
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Re: PJ - 60
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2009, 07:08:04 PM »
Quote from: Ray B. on March 23, 2009, 07:00:08 PM
Please read more carefully the index page.
"...The Best in the World at Identifying Rare Automobiles. This section is open to all AutoPuzzlers! No links here, please..."

Being rather new here, you are forgiven.
Oops -- sorry! I'm sure I must have read that rule at one point but I didn't retain it. In case my guess was way off, I was going to let my source of info look stupid instead of me! Guess it backfired on me!
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Re: PJ - 60
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2009, 12:46:00 AM »
Well, that was clue and according to my information it is not a DKR, but a DK, built by Bohnstedt-Petersen AS in 1950. The makers planned to use DKW engines (some sources mention Heinkel engine ? ). However the plan was defeted by the lack of second-hand engines.
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Re: PJ - 60
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2009, 04:54:41 AM »
DK (DK)
1950
Bohnstedt-Petersen AS, Copenhagen
This was an attempt to make a portwar car based on the prewar 2-cylinder DKW.
The makers planned to use second-hand DKW engines in a new conventional box-section frame, with hydraulic brakes and an all-enveloping body that slightly resembled the contemporary Borgward 1500. The plan was defeated by a shortage of suitable second-hand engines, and by the availability of new DKWs which were being made in both West and east Germany

DKR (DK)
1953-1954
Autofabriken DKR AS, Roskilde
Sixty-year old engineer S.A. Mathiesen (previously involved with the DK) joined forces with two others, Gabrielsen and Ahlmann-Ohlsen, to manufacture a plastic-bodied car in Denmark, which received support from the Danish government. The enveloping 4-door saloon body was mounted on an alluminium frame and was intended to offer American standards of roominess with european style light weight. Initial plans called for a 3-cylinder engine but the eventual car was powered by an 1100cc Heinkel flat-4 45bhp engine mated to a ZF 4-speed gearbox and driving the front wheels. As many as 400 cars per month were planned to be built at a cost of 15,000 kronor each, but the Danish government withdrew its offer of assistance, scuppering the project.
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Re: PJ - 60
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2009, 04:59:49 AM »
We had the DK featured here before...
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=6037.0
This is indeed the DKR, and the point goes to ftg3plus4 (BTW what's the meaning of your nick?)
This was an obscure one, but it seems that at least 3 of you were really close!
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Re: PJ - 60
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2009, 05:01:52 AM »
and here's another car I found under the same name, but I'm not sure about...
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Re: PJ - 60
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2009, 05:14:27 AM »
Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 24, 2009, 04:59:49 AM
We had the DK featured here before...
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=6037.0
This is indeed the DKR, and the point goes to ftg3plus4 (BTW what's the meaning of your nick?)
This was an obscure one, but it seems that at least 3 of you were really close!

as expected....
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Re: PJ - 60
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2009, 08:44:41 AM »
Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 24, 2009, 04:59:49 AM
This is indeed the DKR, and the point goes to ftg3plus4 (BTW what's the meaning of your nick?)
My "nick" is some nonsense I came up with when I found that all email addresses remotely resembling my name were already taken. It's based on my initials & the number of people in my family at the time.

Anyway, being a particularly green rookie, I got lucky on this one. The site I got my info from (months ago) had exactly the same photo, but MUCH smaller and with the background erased. Very glad to see a decent picture of the car for a change.

BTW, did I get 2 points for this? I had 4 before & now I have 6. Not complaining or anything, you understand...

Would be interested to know more about the other car with the same name you found... anyone know?
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Re: Solved -PJ60- DKR Saloon 1953-1954
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2009, 09:04:58 AM »
I'd suppose that to be an earlier version or a prototype. Less quality, those old doors... But the body itself is quite the same.
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Re: PJ - 60
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2009, 09:23:11 AM »
Quote from: ftg3plus4 on March 24, 2009, 08:44:41 AM
Would be interested to know more about the other car with the same name you found... anyone know?

You mean DK?
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Re: PJ - 60
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2009, 10:04:56 AM »
Quote from: Arunas on March 24, 2009, 09:23:11 AM
Quote from: ftg3plus4 on March 24, 2009, 08:44:41 AM
Would be interested to know more about the other car with the same name you found... anyone know?

You mean DK?
I mean the one pictured (twice) in Paul Jaray's last post above.

Speaking of its doors (as mentioned by faksta): I notice it has suicide doors in the front, while the DKR pictured at the very top doesn't.
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Re: Solved -PJ60- DKR Saloon 1953-1954
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2009, 10:48:14 AM »
Quote from: ftg3plus4 on March 24, 2009, 10:04:56 AM
Speaking of its doors (as mentioned by faksta): I notice it has suicide doors in the front, while the DKR pictured at the very top doesn't.

That's what I meant under the 'old doors'  :) It doesn't seem logical to put ones instead of a normal, I think.
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Re: Solved -PJ60- DKR Saloon 1953-1954
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2009, 12:13:36 PM »
Quote from: faksta on March 24, 2009, 10:48:14 AM
Quote from: ftg3plus4 on March 24, 2009, 10:04:56 AM
Speaking of its doors (as mentioned by faksta): I notice it has suicide doors in the front, while the DKR pictured at the very top doesn't.

That's what I meant under the 'old doors'  :) It doesn't seem logical to put ones instead of a normal, I think.
This must have looked interesting when all the doors were open... Maybe you guys have seen this on a car before, but I can't say I have...
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Re: Solved -PJ60- DKR Saloon 1953-1954
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2009, 12:26:42 PM »
The doors? Try looking at any four-door Horch or Mercedes-Benz from thirties. Exactly the same thing  :)
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Re: Solved -PJ60- DKR Saloon 1953-1954
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2009, 01:07:50 PM »
Quote from: faksta on March 24, 2009, 12:26:42 PM
The doors? Try looking at any four-door Horch or Mercedes-Benz from thirties. Exactly the same thing  :)
Ah, yes, such a "thirties" thing, those suicide doors.
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Re: Solved -PJ60- DKR Saloon 1953-1954
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2011, 01:56:27 PM »
I've come across more information on the DKR 1953/54 (see below for an additional image)

Without giving a direct link, if you search for "Plasticbilen Roskilde" it should be the first result you come across.
There is a further link marked "Plasticbilen" at the foot of the article which leads to a full description of the car.

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SAC#97 : DKR 1954, Odense/Denmark, Heinkel-engine, plastic body
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2012, 01:54:31 AM »
Who knows this car? :)
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Re: SAC#97
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2012, 03:13:21 AM »
Experts !
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Re: SAC#97
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2012, 01:06:06 PM »
DKR 1954, Odense/Denmark, Heinkel-engine, plastic body
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Re: SAC#97
« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2012, 01:43:53 PM »
It's the car !
1 point for you !
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