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Solved: PN #1350 -- Elan voiturette, 1898
« on: January 05, 2020, 03:50:21 AM »
Please identify brand and approximate year for a point
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Re: PN #1350
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2020, 07:09:15 AM »
Experts?
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Re: PN #1350
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2020, 02:06:55 PM »
French?

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Re: PN #1350
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2020, 02:14:12 PM »
yes
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Re: PN #1350
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2020, 07:37:38 PM »
1898-1899?
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Re: PN #1350
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2020, 08:57:34 PM »
yes
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Re: PN #1350
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2020, 08:59:19 PM »
Did the manufacturer/brand exist after 1905?

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Re: PN #1350
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2020, 11:11:56 PM »
no
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Re: PN #1350
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2020, 12:28:53 AM »
Edit: I've just discovered that I already have a file on this car, having attempted to identify it several years ago. My file contains a more complete version of the puzzle image--indicating both the coachbuilder and approximate year--but it appears I was unable to identify the manufacturer/brand at that time. And so now I have a particular interest in seeing this puzzle become solved. :)

Let me begin with one of the manufacturers/brands I had listed as a possibility: Georges Richard/Pony?

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Re: PN #1350
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2020, 01:33:55 AM »
no

Good luck, as this was a very ephemeral brand
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Re: PN #1350
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2020, 02:02:13 AM »
Was the brand based within the vicinity (<100km) of Paris?
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Re: PN #1350
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2020, 11:43:25 AM »
within Paris
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Re: PN #1350
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2020, 12:20:49 PM »
Was the brand active for 3 years or more?

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Re: PN #1350
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2020, 12:38:31 PM »
usually they quote 3 years
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Re: PN #1350
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2020, 12:55:11 PM »
Tourey?
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Re: PN #1350
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2020, 02:27:37 PM »
no
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Re: PN #1350
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2020, 02:29:03 PM »
Patin?

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Re: PN #1350
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2020, 02:56:55 PM »
no
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Re: PN #1350
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2020, 03:00:55 PM »
Koch?

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Re: PN #1350
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2020, 09:00:34 PM »
no
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Re: PN #1350
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2020, 09:48:12 PM »
Société des Automobiles Élan by Carrosserie Kellner & ses Fils, 1898-99
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Re: PN #1350
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2020, 02:28:26 AM »
nice picture :)
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Re: Solved: PN #1350 -- Elan voiturette, 1898
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2020, 02:38:08 AM »
Thanks for the point. It was an interesting puzzle and it's satisfying to finally be able to identify the brand.