Topic: SOLVED: si_533 - Idiotenstab-(Idiotstick) in Büssing - 6500 T

[fromwien]

I'm sorry, I think, that a "nickname" is very regional. I have no idea and won't search for it. Would be unfair to all other international non-German-native speakers. Please be so kind and UNLOCK

[sichel]

I think the task is solved even without the nickname. It was tricky enough as it was. So I'll give you a point.
About the nickname: If a driver had the rod upright in front of his nose and he still drove off, he was certainly not the brightest candle on the cake. That's why it was called the "Idiotenstab" ("idiot stick") in Germany.

[fromwien]

I think the task is solved even without the nickname. It was tricky enough as it was. So I'll give you a point.
About the nickname: If a driver had the rod upright in front of his nose and he still drove off, he was certainly not the brightest candle on the cake. That's why it was called the "Idiotenstab" ("idiot stick") in Germany.

Thank you very much. To be honest, I thought about something called like "..stab" or "..zeiger", but never would have come over "Idiotenstab"

[fromwien]

Standard equipment or optional one?

[sichel]

A warning of insufficient brake pressure has long been a requirement (I don't have the exact date). The "idiot stick" existed until the 1960s and was slowly but surely replaced by warning lights in conjunction with an acoustic warning.

[fromwien]

A warning of insufficient brake pressure has long been a requirement (I don't have the exact date). The "idiot stick" existed until the 1960s and was slowly but surely replaced by warning lights in conjunction with an acoustic warning.

Thanks for reply. Yes, I know about the warning requirement of insufficient brake pressure, but thought about warning lights. Also cannot understand, why the stick has been mounted outside, not inside the windshield

[sichel]

Of course, it has been mounted inside the windshield.

[fromwien]

Ok, then I misinterpreted the photo. I saw the stick outside the window. The windshield-rubber behind it

[fromwien]

Please excuse me for continuing to insist on this 'solved' puzzle, but thinking about it, couldn't this just be the windshield wiper arm with the missing windshield wiper blade on a parked bus? I tried to enlarge the picture and, in my opinion, the rod is in front of the windshield. Would stay in the way of the windshield wiper.. Or were the windshield wiper arms usually mounted above the windshield at this bus model? Questions over questions..

[sichel]

At the end of the rod there are no visible fastening parts for a wiper blade, only the red warning colour. The round actuating cylinder for the "idiot stick" with internal spring and air line coming from the left is located on the lower edge of the windscreen.
The windscreen wipers were mounted in various ways (bottom, top, motor in the windscreen, parallelogram arms).

[fromwien]

At the end of the rod there are no visible fastening parts for a wiper blade, only the red warning colour. The round actuating cylinder for the "idiot stick" with internal spring and air line coming from the left is located on the lower edge of the windscreen.
The windscreen wipers were mounted in various ways (bottom, top, motor in the windscreen, parallelogram arms).

Thanks for reply, and sorry, I don't want to bother you anyway, I only want to understand what I see.
Most of the wiper arms had no visible fastening parts for a wiper blade in the 60s (see attachment)
Yes, I see an actuating cylinder inside the windshield. Then the windshield rubber. So the "idiot-stick" must be located on the outside. Tried to find pictures of a Büssing-bus, but failed. Didn't find any with such a stick visible at the outside.

[sichel]

"Most of the wiper arms had no visible fastening parts for a wiper blade in the 60s (see attachment)"
When was the last time you saw a round, smooth wiper arm with red paint as a warning marker?
"Tried to find pictures of a Büssing-bus, but failed. Didn't find any with such a stick visible at the outside."
You won't find them there either, because they were mounted on the inside.
There is no sign of a windscreen wiper in the entire puzzle picture.

[fromwien]

"Most of the wiper arms had no visible fastening parts for a wiper blade in the 60s (see attachment)"
When was the last time you saw a round, smooth wiper arm with red paint as a warning marker?

Never! You are so right!
May be you have a picture showing clear, that the stick is round and not flat. I can't see the difference with the photo resolution I have.

"Tried to find pictures of a Büssing-bus, but failed. Didn't find any with such a stick visible at the outside."
You won't find them there either, because they were mounted on the inside.
There is no sign of a windscreen wiper in the entire puzzle picture.

I attached another photo, where I can clearly see -with my visual abilities- that the blue cylinder is inside the vehicle, followed to the outside by the window rubber with the dark groove in which the window is located, then followed by the rod on the other side of the windshield rubber.
It is clearly noticeable that you are not interested in providing factual information, which is not a particular problem for me. In the interests of myself and some other players, I will try to find out more about this topic. Thank you so much for your efforts

[Wendax]

It is clearly noticeable that you are not interested in providing factual information,(...)

It doesn't work for you without insinuation, doesn't it? 

[fromwien]

..and one-sided considerations are not always effective either!
("Most of the wiper arms had no visible fastening parts for a wiper blade in the 60s (see attachment)"
When was the last time you saw a round, smooth wiper arm with red paint as a warning marker?)

[sichel]

And if this ominous black block is simply a piece of track and/or a shadow on the road...

[fromwien]

Yes, I agree with you. Could be an opportunity.
I really trust you, to know a lot about this detail, called not very friendly "Idiotenstab".
However, if something doesn't look 100 percent clear in a picture, I try hard to find a confirmation of the veracity of a statement. That's the only reason for all the boring questions. For sure not, to doubt about your competence. Which I am undoubtedly convinced about. And I am still searching for better pictures.

[sichel]

"That's the only reason for all the boring questions."
Your questions are not the problem, but the tone in which they are asked.

[fromwien]

"That's the only reason for all the boring questions."
Your questions are not the problem, but the tone in which they are asked.

Please be so kind and precise, which they are. Thanks in advance

[sichel]

I replaced "tone of questions" with "tone of conversation". E.G. #37, # 39