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Re: GTE 324
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2020, 02:28:40 PM »
Is the puzzle car the Gee Cee Ess Special?
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Re: GTE 324
« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2020, 02:44:52 PM »
Quote from: Oguerrerob on April 23, 2020, 02:10:36 PM
I don't have a name for the car. I've found a very similar car that was used by Jim Bennett at 1964 Hoopers Inlet Hillclimb. Apparently the Fury 1 that was intended to run that race was incomplete, so Peter Bell (from Ocean Grove) gave him this car
No, this is not the puzzle car.

[Unrelated to this puzzle: The car in your image looks to me like it could actually be the incomplete Furi 1 (and at least one online source agrees with this). Compare your 1964 image with the 1965 image below.]
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Re: GTE 324
« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2020, 12:52:31 AM »
Built in the 50's?
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Re: GTE 324
« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2020, 02:38:35 AM »
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Re: GTE 324
« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2020, 04:31:49 AM »
Quote from: nicanary on April 23, 2020, 02:28:40 PM
Is the puzzle car the Gee Cee Ess Special?

I think you may have missed this post.
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Re: GTE 324
« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2020, 05:05:51 AM »
Quote from: nicanary on April 24, 2020, 04:31:49 AM
Quote from: nicanary on April 23, 2020, 02:28:40 PM
Is the puzzle car the Gee Cee Ess Special?

I think you may have missed this post.
Sorry, I did miss that. No, it's not the Gee Cee Ess Special.
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Re: GTE 324
« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2020, 09:49:45 AM »
Tip Top Special?
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Re: GTE 324
« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2020, 12:13:49 PM »
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Re: GTE 324
« Reply #33 on: April 24, 2020, 12:27:56 PM »
Did this car participate at some Hillclimb races?
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Re: GTE 324
« Reply #34 on: April 24, 2020, 01:00:23 PM »
Quote from: Oguerrerob on April 24, 2020, 12:27:56 PM
Did this car participate at some Hillclimb races?
Not that I am aware of
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Re: GTE 324
« Reply #35 on: April 24, 2020, 01:21:19 PM »
Quote from: gte4289 on April 11, 2020, 04:48:30 AM
Quote from: Djetset on April 11, 2020, 04:29:36 AM
British?
Partially
Quote from: gte4289 on April 11, 2020, 05:31:01 AM
Quote from: Djetset on April 11, 2020, 05:15:54 AM
New Zealand?
Yes
I think two things may be leading this one astray: 1) I anticipated further questions seeking to define 'partially British', yet there were none. 2) I was under the impression the puzzle photo had been taken in New Zealand, when in fact it was taken in the UK. To clarify: this car was raced in both the UK and New Zealand, with different engines and under multiple identities. At the time of this photo, it was in the UK, powered by a Mercury V8, and would be more accurately described as 'British' than 'from New Zealand' (although both were technically correct).
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Re: GTE 324
« Reply #36 on: April 24, 2020, 01:37:28 PM »
Thanks for your hints.

MG chassis?
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Re: GTE 324
« Reply #37 on: April 24, 2020, 02:09:36 PM »
Quote from: nicanary on April 24, 2020, 01:37:28 PM
Thanks for your hints.

MG chassis?
No
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Re: GTE 324
« Reply #38 on: April 24, 2020, 03:11:30 PM »
Did it become the Thomas-Mercury?
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Re: GTE 324
« Reply #39 on: April 24, 2020, 03:34:13 PM »
Quote from: nicanary on April 24, 2020, 03:11:30 PM
Did it become the Thomas-Mercury?
Not sure - what is that?
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Re: GTE 324
« Reply #40 on: April 24, 2020, 04:17:04 PM »
Quote from: gte4289 on April 24, 2020, 03:34:13 PM
Quote from: nicanary on April 24, 2020, 03:11:30 PM
Did it become the Thomas-Mercury?
Not sure - what is that?

Driven in NZ by Des McDonagh. (I fear I know your answer.........)
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Re: GTE 324
« Reply #41 on: April 24, 2020, 04:38:38 PM »
Quote from: nicanary on April 24, 2020, 04:17:04 PM
Quote from: gte4289 on April 24, 2020, 03:34:13 PM
Quote from: nicanary on April 24, 2020, 03:11:30 PM
Did it become the Thomas-Mercury?
Not sure - what is that?

Driven in NZ by Des McDonagh. (I fear I know your answer.........)
My answer is... Locked for you!

In everything I've read about this car, I've never seen it referred to as the 'Thomas-Mercury'. However, I still think you've found the right car, so here's what I'm looking for:
  • What was it originally?
  • What was it called at the time of the photo?

Also, I've been reviewing materials from various sources and have concluded that the puzzle photo was taken in New Zealand. As I had originally understood, the car was raced in the UK, then brought to New Zealand, where it raced and remained. (One source was written in a confusing manner, suggesting the car had returned to the UK, but this was not the case!)
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Re: GTE 324 [LOCKED]
« Reply #42 on: April 27, 2020, 06:03:21 AM »
Thank you for keeping this locked for me all weekend. I'm afraid I've got nowhere - there were numerous Mercury-engined specials built in the UK at that time (presumably the engines were ex-military) but details are scarce. I registered with a certain NZ forum and was hoping to use their search function, but I didn't receive the e-mail with link that they promised. Maybe they're all out shooting hobbits.

I think it is only fair to others to unlock this.
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Re: GTE 324 [LOCKED]
« Reply #43 on: April 27, 2020, 12:09:56 PM »
Quote from: nicanary on April 27, 2020, 06:03:21 AM
I think it is only fair to others to unlock this.
As you wish, but I still believe you have found the correct car. Unlocked
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Re: GTE 324
« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2020, 02:17:41 PM »
I'm surprised this one remains unsolved! All of the necessary info is here:
  • Raced with different engines and under multiple identities
  • Originally built and raced in the UK
  • Later brought to New Zealand, where it raced and remained
  • Puzzle photo taken in New Zealand; powered by a Mercury V8 at the time
Quote from: gte4289 on April 24, 2020, 04:38:38 PM
Quote from: nicanary on April 24, 2020, 04:17:04 PM
Quote from: gte4289 on April 24, 2020, 03:34:13 PM
Quote from: nicanary on April 24, 2020, 03:11:30 PM
Did it become the Thomas-Mercury?
Not sure - what is that?

Driven in NZ by Des McDonagh. (I fear I know your answer.........)
In everything I've read about this car, I've never seen it referred to as the 'Thomas-Mercury'. However, I still think you've found the right car...

To solve:
  • What was the car originally?
  • What was it called at the time of the puzzle photo?

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Re: GTE 324
« Reply #45 on: May 19, 2020, 02:51:53 PM »
It looks too small, but it's not the Leslie Onslow-Bartlett car is it?
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Re: GTE 324
« Reply #46 on: May 19, 2020, 03:16:04 PM »
Quote from: nicanary on May 19, 2020, 02:51:53 PM
It looks too small, but it's not the Leslie Onslow-Bartlett car is it?
No. Go back to your previous guess. I'm pretty sure you had the right car, but just needed to find more information about it.
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Re: GTE 324
« Reply #47 on: May 19, 2020, 05:37:04 PM »
ACME Special, formerly known as Marlborough-Thomas Brooklands Special ?
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Re: GTE 324
« Reply #48 on: May 19, 2020, 05:52:42 PM »
Quote from: oko94 on May 19, 2020, 05:37:04 PM
ACME Special, formerly known as Marlborough-Thomas Brooklands Special ?
Yes :thumbsup:
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Re: Solved: GTE 324 - 1923 Marlborough-Thomas rebodied in NZ as 'ACME Special'
« Reply #49 on: May 19, 2020, 06:19:38 PM »
Thanks for my 1150th point !

Sorry for nicanary who's done all the hard work.
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