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Re: FVK_235
« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2023, 11:28:13 AM »
No
Trying to translate the article now. Was the car built by R. Schwenke?

(Edit: I've finished translating the entire article and it's still not clear to me if Schwenke was the designer/builder of the car or the author of the article, but I think the former.)
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Re: FVK_235
« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2023, 02:32:17 PM »
Closed for you. I understand that you found this article, Schwenke is mentioned there. Maybe there is new information and on what chassis

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Re: FVK_235
« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2023, 03:55:33 PM »
The article I found is titled: Depeschenwagen mit Vierräder-Antrieb. Von Zivil-Ingenieur R. Schwenke, Berlin.

Schwenke
I initially understood that the vehicle had been designed/built by Robert Schwenke, but now I'm not so sure. After reading through the Google-translated article several times now, it seems Schwenke may have only been the author of the article. He goes into a great deal of detail, but speaks as though he had only examined and tested a vehicle built by someone else. And further review of the entire source periodical reveals that he authored several other articles in this same issue (all titled XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. Von Zivil-Ingenieur R. Schwenke, Berlin.), in which he analyzes a variety of vehicles and component systems from an engineering perspective. However, he does mention the "Schwenke system" when discussing the 4-wheel-drive system, so I assume that was a system of his own design.

Austro-Daimler
The manner in which he mentions Austro-Daimler's more well-known armored car is confusing (when translated anyway) and almost seems to imply that this car was also built by Austro-Daimler. Then, when discussing the gearbox, he states that it's equipped with Daimler's double-thrust gears, but gives no other source for the gearbox itself.

De Dion Bouton
He mentions De Dion-Bouton when discussing the axles, shafts, and ball joints. However, it's not clear if those used on this car were made by De Dion, or if they were simply of similar design to those made by De Dion. The engine is described as a 2-cylinder, 12 horsepower, Passe-Partout-style unit, which sounds to me like the 1728cc De Dion Type S.

Based on all of this, I think the answer you're looking for is that it's a 4-wheel-drive Depeschenwagen (built by Robert Schwenke?) using a De Dion engine and chassis. I'm not certain this is correct, however. It might require a native German speaker to know for sure.

Here are the other photos provided:
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Re: FVK_235
« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2023, 11:51:00 PM »
Good decision ! Let's denote it as  Depeschenwagen De Dion 12hp (engine and chassis) 4-wheel-drive 1906 by Robert Schwenke

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I've just read the article. The car was built by Robert Schwenke, but it is not based on a De Dion. Schwenke just refers to the de Dion tube which he had to adopt for the driven front wheels, as it was just used for rear wheels without steering so far. The title should be altered just to Schwenke Depeschenwagen. Right now the most important information, Schwenke's name, is cut off.

Some more of Robert Schwenke's creations:
https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/new-board-53/fvk_98/
https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2013-42/solved-pn-492-cca-1905-express-fwd-car-made-by-the-vulkan-factory/
https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/new-board/wendax-3098/
https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2016-45/pn-875/
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Good decision ! Let's denote it as  Depeschenwagen De Dion 12hp (engine and chassis) 4-wheel-drive 1906 by Robert Schwenke
Thanks for the point!

I've just read the article. The car was built by Robert Schwenke, but it is not based on a De Dion. Schwenke just refers to the de Dion tube which he had to adopt for the driven front wheels, as it was just used for rear wheels without steering so far. The title should be altered just to Schwenke Depeschenwagen. Right now the most important information, Schwenke's name, is cut off.

Some more of Robert Schwenke's creations:
https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/new-board-53/fvk_98/
https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2013-42/solved-pn-492-cca-1905-express-fwd-car-made-by-the-vulkan-factory/
https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/new-board/wendax-3098/
https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2016-45/pn-875/
And thank you for finding and reviewing the article! I went ahead and changed the thread title.

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Re: FVK_235 Depeschenwagen 4-wheel-drive by Robert Schwenke, 1906
« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2023, 01:33:00 PM »
Thank you for putting an end to this mystery.

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...it is not based on a De Dion. Schwenke just refers to the de Dion tube which he had to adopt for the driven front wheels, as it was just used for rear wheels without steering so far.
I'm curious what he says about the engine. In the Google-translated version, his description (2-cylinder, 12 horsepower, Passe-Partout) seemed to be pointing the De Dion Type S.
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Re: FVK_235 Depeschenwagen 4-wheel-drive by Robert Schwenke, 1906
« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2023, 02:07:09 AM »
The phrase Passe-Parout was used in its literal sense, not as a name. He just says that the engine might be suitable for all occasions (Passe-Partout): rough country roads, in the city and on the plains.

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Re: FVK_235 Depeschenwagen 4-wheel-drive by Robert Schwenke, 1906
« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2023, 02:20:29 AM »
The phrase Passe-Parout was used in its literal sense, not as a name. He just says that the engine might be suitable for all occasions (Passe-Partout): rough country roads, in the city and on the plains.
Got it. Thanks!