You see, if we start to debate this, Ultra, it would take at least two thousand posts. And I know what your founding fathers intended, and the swiss idea of democracy (I am quarter swiss myself by the way) but this was not my point. I was merely saying that, even without the second amendment, the iraquis make a swell job of slaughtering themselves, and that in your own country there may be a slight relation between that amendment and Columbine or such similar events. But I guess you're tired of hearing this and, as I said, it's your country and your problem. I am not trying to convince Americans of anything, just saying my piece, for what it's worth.
Oh, and I found Otto's proposition very funny, interesting and meaningful.
