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Packing the Court (Merged) Citizens United Decision
« on: January 28, 2010, 11:29:21 AM »
The part I bolded is the reason I posted this blurb.  What BO did was inexcusable.

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POLITICO's Kasie Hunt, who's in the House chamber, reports that Justice Samuel Alito mouthed the words "not true" when President Barack Obama criticized the Supreme Court's campaign finance decision.

"Last week, the Supreme Court reversed a century of law to open the floodgates for special interests — including foreign corporations — to spend without limit in our elections," Obama said. "Well I don’t think American elections should be bankrolled by America’s most powerful interests, or worse, by foreign entities. They should be decided by the American people, and that’s why I’m urging Democrats and Republicans to pass a bill that helps to right this wrong."

The shot of the black-robed Supreme Court justices, stone-faced, was priceless.

Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) stood up behind the justices and clapped vigorously while Alito shook his head and quietly mouthed his discontent.

Schumer and Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md) are trying to find a way to legislate around the Supreme Court decision.

"All you have to do is read the dissent, the four justices who said this will defintely open the floodgates to big corporate special interests. Anybody who thinks that's not true is out of touch with the American political process." Van Hollen said.

Van Hollen told POLITICO he expects to unveil the package in the next 10 days to two weeks.

Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) was glad the president called out the Supreme Court.


"He [Alito] deserved to be criticized, if he didn't like it he can mouth whatever they want," Weiner said. "These Supreme Court justices sometimes forget that we live in the real world. They got a real world reminder tonight, if you make a boneheaded decision, someone's going to call you out on it."

But one conservative legal expert took sides with Alito -- at least on the substance of Obama's comments.

The President’s swipe at the Supreme Court was a breach of decorum, and represents the worst of Washington politics — scapegoating ‘special interest’ bogeymen for all that ails Washington in attempt to silence the diverse range of speakers in our democracy,” said Bradley A. Smith, chairman of the Center for Competitive Politics, in The Corner blog on Nationalreview.com.
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Re: Packing the Court (Merged) Citizens United Decision
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2010, 12:36:06 PM »
I vehemently contest the notion that any "thing" has a right to free speech under the Constitution. To see the conservative members of the court - who so often say they are "strict constructionists" - enshrine this load of bollocks into law is disgusting.

But it will take a Constitutional Amendment to get around this nonsense. And the odds of that happening are about the same as me becoming a Formula One driver and winning the WDC!   :o

I have no problem with BHO calling them out, though. Most people recognize that the USSC is the most political court in the land. They usually have to the luxury of conducting their affairs in isolated splendor. I think its good for them to get out in public once in a while and away from their fawning law clerks and staff.
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Re: Packing the Court (Merged) Citizens United Decision
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2010, 07:28:51 AM »
An address that includes ninety-six references to "I" says volumes about this person.

Working copies of the Constitution - those not being used as bumf in the oval office - are, even now, being corrected to read "You, the People"
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Re: Packing the Court (Merged) Citizens United Decision
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2010, 07:57:59 AM »
Quote
bumf

 From Dictionary.com:

bumf

  /bʌmf/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [buhmf]

–noun British.
1.    Slang. toilet paper.
2.    memoranda, official notices, or the like.
Origin:
1885–90; short for bumfodder. See bum 2 , fodder1

 :lmao:

While I respect your opinion of BHO, low though it may be, don't you think GWB was even better at using the Constitution for toilet paper?  After all, he and his administration basically took the position that the Executive was all powerful and could do no wrong, while the other two branches were basically along for the ride as rubber stamps for his policies?

Just curious..... ???
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Re: Packing the Court (Merged) Citizens United Decision
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2010, 09:15:15 AM »
If Obama is against torture, he should stop giving speeches.

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Justice Alito Was Right

By Judge Andrew P. Napolitano

 - FOXNews.com

Despite claims made by the president, last week's Supreme Court opinion on campaign finance specifically excludes foreign nationals and foreign-owned corporations from its ruling.
The Supreme Court issued a ruling last week on the campaign finance that is still being discussed all over the country. In fact, it was even mentioned by President Obama at Wednesday night’s State of the Union address. The high court invalidated its own 20-year-old ruling -- which had upheld a one hundred-year-old statute on group political contributions -- and it also invalidated a portion of the McCain-Feingold Campaign finance law.

The 20-year-old ruling had forbidden any political spending by groups such as corporations, labor unions, and advocacy organizations (like the NRA and Planned Parenthood, for example). Ruling that all persons, individually and in groups, have the same unfettered free speech rights, the court blasted Congress for suppression of that speech. In effect, the court asked, “What part of ‘Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech’ does Congress not understand?” Thus, all groups of two or more persons are free to spend their own money on any political campaigns and to mention the names of the candidates in their materials.

The court also threw out the portion of McCain-Feingold law that had prohibited persons who pool their funds or contribute to Political Action Committees (PACs), from spending those funds, directly or through PACs, in the 60 day period preceding an election. Since that 60 day period preceding the election is the most vital in any campaign, the court held that the prohibition on expenditures during that time was a violation of the free speech guaranteed to all persons, individually and in groups, by the First Amendment.

Thus, as a result of this ruling, all groups may spend their own money as they wish on any political campaigns, but they still may not--as groups--contribute directly to candidates’ campaigns. The direct political contribution prohibition in McCain-Feingold that prevents corporations, labor unions, and advocacy groups from giving money directly to candidates was not challenged in this case, thus its constitutionality was not an issue before the court. Groups will thus effectively be running and financing their own campaigns for candidates independent of those candidates’ campaigns.

The case arose in the context of a challenge by an advocacy group that produced a 90-minute motion picture called "Hillary: The Movie," a highly critical movie about Hillary Clinton, to a ruling by the Federal Election Commission (FEC). The FEC had ruled that in reality the movie was an anti-Hillary political ad. And, since it was financed by an advocacy group, it was banned under the Supreme court's 20- year-old ruling, the one that the Court just invalidated. That movie can now, two years after it was made and eighteen months after Sen. Clinton abandoned her presidential campaign, be distributed and viewed.

During the course of oral argument on this case in October in the Supreme Court, one of the FEC's lawyers replied to a question from Justice Antonin Scalia to the effect that the FEC could ban books if they were paid for by corporations, labor unions, or advocacy groups. This highly un-American statement in the Supreme Court by a government lawyer--that the federal government can ban political books--infuriated a few of the justices. The conservative justices were joined by Justice Anthony Kennedy, the swing vote between the conservative and liberal blocs on the Court. The Court's newest member, Justice Sonia Sotomayor, joined the dissent.

On Wednesday night, during his State of the Union address, the president attacked this decision by arguing that the ruling permits foreign nationals and foreign corporations to spend money on American campaigns. When he said this, Justice Samuel Alito, who was seated just 15 feet from the president, gently whispered: “That’s not true.” Justice Alito was right. The Supreme Court opinion, which is 183 pages in length, specifically excludes foreign nationals and foreign-owned corporations from its ruling. So the president, the former professor of law at the one of the country’s best law schools, either did not read the opinion, or was misrepresenting it.
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Re: Packing the Court (Merged) Citizens United Decision
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2010, 10:29:37 AM »
I suspect POTUS did NOT read the opinion but relied upon his staff to "boil it down" for him. In which case, some staffer in the West Wing probably got his ass kicked the next day!   :whip:
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Re: Packing the Court (Merged) Citizens United Decision
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2010, 04:34:55 PM »
Wow, one high profile case where the SCrOTUS actually ruled in acordance with the Constitution and the sitting Pres. makes a stupic comment about it... Go figure....
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Re: Packing the Court (Merged) Citizens United Decision
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2010, 04:37:31 PM »
Just curious..... ???


I could insert the name of pretty much any President in the pantheon of the constitutionally ignorant.

Grover Cleveland was OK, I guess.

And your question reminds me of another reason I was rankled by the address. He's still bitching about the previous office holder. You've had a year, Mr. Wonderful - what have you done?
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Re: Packing the Court (Merged) Citizens United Decision
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2010, 04:38:53 PM »
... either did not read the opinion, or was misrepresenting it.

Shocked I, am - shocked!!!
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Re: Packing the Court (Merged) Citizens United Decision
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2010, 04:31:24 PM »
CREDO Action sent out an alert, echoing media talking points I've heard from many mainstream media sources, regarding last week's Citizens United campaign finance decision...

    We deserve a country where our elected officials are not bought and paid for by Big Business. But last week's Supreme Court decision in the case Citizens United vs. FEC overturned over a century of precedent and opened the floodgates for unlimited amounts of corporate money to flow into our political system.

That paragraph is profuse prevarication. But I'll only focus on one lie in this piece.

FACT: The Citizens United decision (CU) overturned only one case, plus the most heinous part of another. Congressman Alan Grayson takes the lie further and makes it more explicit.

    By gutting the 100-year-old Tillman Act ban on corporate contributions, the U.S. Supreme Court has opened the door to political bribery and corruption on the largest scale imaginable.

The Tillman Act wasn't even considered in this case. It remains in effect. Corporations still can't make direct contributions to candidates.

However, corporations used to be able, even under the Tillman Act, to spend their money reporting a candidate's voting record, or to encourage the public to contact the incumbent on an upcoming vote of urgency to the corporation. This right was closed by Austin v. Michigan Chamber of Commerce. But such independent expenditures were not banned until Austin.

In the CU decision, the Supreme Court overturned Austin v Michigan Chamber of Commerce, putting things back to the way they were in 1990 -- not 100 years ago, as Grayson claimed.

In CU, the Court also overturned part of the McConnell v Federal Election Commission (FEC) decision. That part was the electioneering communications provision -- the most evil part of the McCain-Feingold law, called the Bi-Partisan Campaign Reform Act, which the Court upheld in 2003. We were all so young then.

Electioneering communications was a blunt, incumbent-protection, weapon. This provision effectively made public disagreement with incumbents virtually illegal. Here is how it worked...

It was illegal, with criminal penalties attached (a modern first, with regard to political rights under the First Amendment), for you to broadcast an ad . . .

* In the final 60 days of a general election campaign, or
* The final 30 days of a primary election campaign...

In the district or region where the vote was to occur, unless your group FIRST...

* Formed a committee,
* Designated a treasurer, and
* Filed reports with the Federal Election Commission

...BEFORE accepting any donations.

Your new, little committee would need a bank account so that the records could be traced, and this would require registration with the IRS as well.

This is how groups like Citizens United are often born. They are "advocacy corporations."

When your group took donations, under the electioneering communications provision, you were also compelled to make a serious effort to . . .

* Determine who gave the funds,
* What the specific amounts given were, and
* What the occupations of the givers were.

In addition,

* Contributions from each donor were also severely limited, and
* You needed to return much needed funds if they exceeded the donation limits.

Then, your group had to file a complicated report using the FEC's cumbersome interface the same day that you contracted to purchase the air time, even if the actual broadcast was still days away -- all the better to alert the incumbent and his allies of your plans.

Any of these things are a textbook example of what the lawyers call "the chilling effect."

Participatory democracy suffers under such a regime, as in very real, down-to-earth case of Karen Sampson, who found that "passing a hat" was legally insufficient for neighbors engaged in local activism.

Your opposition might be small, spontaneous, and inexperienced. That might also mean too cash poor to afford attorneys or consultants to navigate the perilous law. But the Powers That Be -- the authors and enforcers of these laws -- always seem to have the resources to operate under these constricting rules. Is that a mere coincidence?

No, it appears to be intentional. After all, when contributions are limited in size, one is required to raise more of them in order to pile up sufficient marketing funds. That's always easier to do for incumbents. A political contribution can be an investment or it can be protection money. But what does a donor gain by supporting your opposition effort? Given that his contribution is too small to settle the matter in the way he'd prefer, but big enough to be reported so that the incumbent office-holder can see it, the answer may well be "trouble." So...

In a word, you were lied to, and hysterically so, by the mainstream media as to the result and import of this case. This decision should be embraced for the opportunity it represents to regular people, who band together, in non-profit advocacy corporations (like DownsizeDC.org).

And that is why, the Downsize DC Foundation was proud to co-sponsor an amicus curiae brief to the Supreme Court in the CU case. We, at Downsize DC, believe our brief was highly influential in this case. While the decision was not perfect, we are quite pleased by the overall outcome, and the potential precedents it sets.
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