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Jeremey Clarkson on the Smoking Bans
« on: January 27, 2010, 01:47:46 PM »
As we know, the ban on smoking in public places, and the misery of being forced to stand outside like a naughty dog every time you want a fag, has caused almost everyone to give up. This has had a profound knock-on effect on our social lives.

In the not too distant past, the notion of not being allowed to smoke in someone’s house would have been as alien as not being allowed to use the loo. Now, most people I know run a fresh-air policy, and those who do allow you to light up always make a huge song and dance about finding something that can be used as an ashtray.

Worse, even when you are allowed to smoke, there’s a sense still that you shouldn’t. That if you do, you’ll be the only one. Lighting up at a drinks party is a bit like standing there masturbating.

One chap I know has an electric cigarette. Sucking on it delivers a hit of nicotine and causes the tip to glow red. It’s like the real thing in the same way that a blow-up doll is like Scarlett Johansson but he always brings it out at parties and waves it around because it looks realistic and tricks other smokers in the room into feeling that if they go ahead, they won’t be the first.

Smoking, then, has become like freemasonry or homosexuality. We have our secret signs. Our equivalent of funny handshakes and gaydar. We use tricks and nods and winks to establish a bond with other smokers. We coerce them into lighting up first, to gauge the reaction, and then we huddle around the lone ashtray, feeling lost in the room but somehow emboldened by one another’s company.

As a result of all this, I have grown to hate parties. On the way, terrified that I won’t be allowed to smoke, I puff away like a madman, trying to fill myself up with a nicotine bank that will last the evening. It doesn’t, though. You can no more store nicotine than you can store sleep.

So, after the first glass of wine, you feel compelled to ask if it’s okay for you to light up, which requires as much courage as it does to ask a girl out. You are terrified that the answer will be no — not because you’ll have to go outside; you’re used to that — but because you’re English and you’ll have embarrassed your host.

And you’re even more terrified that you’ll get an if-you-must yes, followed by lots of huffing and puffing and tutting as the hostess goes off to look in the bottom of the wedding present drawer to see if she can find an ashtray. And then, when she comes back with it, and you light up, you can feel the eyes upon you, and you pray with curled toes and a pile-driver heart that someone else will join in . . .

And here’s the thing, smokers of the world. They always do. If you start smoking at a party, I can absolutely guarantee that within five minutes everyone else will be smoking too. And what makes this even worse than being made to stand outside is that they will be smoking yours.

Since the smoking ban, no one has given up the tabs. They’ve just given up buying them, and this is the most annoying thing in all of human history.

I should make it plain that I’m not a mean man. When I was confronted by those harrowing images of bodies being tossed into mass graves in Haiti, I was on the phone in a jiffy, offering money, goods and even my children, if that’s what the charities wanted. This is natural because, all of a sudden, the rainy day for which I’d been saving didn’t look as if it could ever be as dark and gloomy as the rainy day that had been inflicted on those poor souls in the Caribbean.

I would give someone a kidney or a pint of blood. But my last cigarette? No. I’m afraid not.

Last weekend I took a crisp, unopened packet of 20 to a friend’s house, where I’d been invited to spend the day shooting. And over breakfast one of the chaps said: “Ooh, can I nick one of those?”

Naturally this prompted his wife to chime in with a request as well, and that sort of opened the floodgates. So, by the time we’d pulled our boots on and set off, I had only 10 left. Ten wouldn’t be enough. When a smoker has only 10 fags in his pocket and there’s no shop for miles, it’s an all-consuming problem. You do a lot of maths. When can I get to a shop? How many hours till then? And just when you’ve worked out you can have one only every 40 minutes, the hordes descend again: “I say, you haven’t got another fag, have you?” So now you have only five.

What party smokers don’t understand is that proper smokers don’t smoke for fun. It’s a drug. We need it. Running out of cigarettes is not an inconvenience; it’s a matter of life and death. Literally. Because in the same way that a heroin addict will mug an old lady for his next fix, a smoker will get up from a dinner table at midnight and, so pissed he can’t even walk, drive into the night to find a petrol station and more supplies.

To get round the problem, I now take four packs to a party. But this is never enough. On New Year’s Eve I had 50 people round for supper. None of them smokes. But that didn’t stop them getting through a carton of 200. I’d rather they’d nicked my furniture.

The smoking ban, then, has had a devastating effect, not just on pubs and clubs — which are closing at the rate of one every four hours — but on society, which has now become divisive and bitter.

There are, as I see it, only two solutions. Either the government can come clean and admit that without the tax revenue from smokers, the NHS would be finished. Or, to level the playing field, it can ban smoking completely.

Apparently, such a move is being considered right now in Finland. Though we shouldn’t pay too much attention to the outcome because when a Scandinavian is forced to give up the tabs, he will simply revert to the region’s second-favourite pastime: committing suicide.
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Re: Jeremey Clarkson on the Smoking Bans
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2010, 03:23:46 PM »
26th day on the wagon, here.
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Re: Jeremey Clarkson on the Smoking Bans
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2010, 03:25:54 PM »
Awesome. 
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Re: Jeremey Clarkson on the Smoking Bans
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2010, 05:33:03 PM »
Allemano,

Why did you delete your post?
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Re: Jeremey Clarkson on the Smoking Bans
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2010, 05:38:07 PM »
mmm don't know...  :huh:
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Re: Jeremey Clarkson on the Smoking Bans
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2010, 06:52:42 PM »
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Re: Jeremey Clarkson on the Smoking Bans
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2010, 12:58:25 AM »
Wasn't that important. Just wrote that I've quit smoking as well. Sometimes even an illness (chicken pox* in my case) has an positive aspect.




* not a funny experience for me. I can't remember ever felt so miserable.
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Re: Jeremey Clarkson on the Smoking Bans
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2010, 06:59:25 AM »
It is that important. Reason being, one post begets another.

Thanks for sharing and though the reason that prompted your quitting isn't fun, congrats on your efforts.
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Re: Jeremey Clarkson on the Smoking Bans
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2010, 07:08:41 AM »
Clarkson exhibits the hubris of virtually all celebrities. What he writes is inane, but its humorous, so he gets a pass for such drivel.

Cigarettes and I had a long and comfortable relationship. 20+ years. As Mark Twain said, "quitting smoking is easy. I've done it a thousand times."

I managed to divorce myself from the evil weed almost 30 years ago. It was the hardest thing I have ever done in my entire life. One night at 10:50 pm, after being off the damn things for 2 weeks, I was overcome with an irresistible urge for a smoke. I hopped in my car, dashed to the local convenience store, only to get there at 1 minute past 11. The door was locked. The lights were being turned off. And I realized at that moment that I had been given a sign.

I paid good money to attend a stop smoking clinic. It was what made it possible. Two suggestions that I learned from them I will share with anyone who is trying to quit:

1.  Buy a box of plastic straws. Yes, the goofy ones with red or pink stipes on them. Cut them up into the length of cigarettes. Practice sucking air in through them. Its like smoking but you only get air, instead of a bazillion carcinogenic chemicals. Chew on them. Play with them with your hands. Great therapy.

2. Change ALL of your habits that you associated with smoking. If you sleep on the left side of the bed (where your ciggies were right there on the night stand) sleep on the right. If you talk with the phone in your left ear while you smoke with your right, put the phone to your right ear. If you have a cig with coffee in the morning, switch to tea or milk or fruit juice. If you smoke on the drive to work, ride with a co-worker for a while or take the bus.

I was told that the mind makes powerful associations between certain activities and smoking and that sometimes years later, the urge to smoke will sneak up and attack because you find yourself doing something you used to do while smoking that you haven't done for a while. The first time this happened to me was about 3 years later when a friend invited me out to go sailing. BAM! I wanted a cigarette so bad!!!  Fortunately, no one on board smoked.  5 years on, I went skiing for the first time. BAM!  On the chairlift, I was assaulted with the desire for a butt.

I helps to know that nicotine is THE most addictive drug known to science and that the tobacco companies know that if they can just get people to try their "product" they will own you for life. So why can't we enjoy marijuana in the privacy of our own homes?  Only your government knows for sure.  I imagine Ultra might have a comment or two about that.

So, Otto, stay the course, man. And buy a box of straws. I gave that advice to judge I rather liked who was trying to quit. He pooh poohed my advice. He's been dead almost 10 years now.  ::)
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Re: Jeremey Clarkson on the Smoking Bans
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2010, 08:11:37 AM »
What I have to admit is that I never was a "professional" 24h addict. There were frequent periods especially when I was alone I had no desire to smoke.
Completely different my brother in law: When he rises from the bed he first sticks a cigarette in his mouth not a tooth brush.  :yuck:
For me the evil catalyst is alcohol and good company. Meeting friends in a pub playing Pool for the night I smoke(d) at least 20-30 cigarettes..

There's a vivid dicussion in Germany about a total ban for smoking in Clubs, Restaurants, etc.. Why not?
I've already had that opinion before I'd quit smoking.
What MG said about marijuana: it's not my favourite drug as it's nothing for my bloodstream ;D, BUT I think at least for many consumers it causes some kind of "good feeling" like alcohol does as well (in a pleasant doses of course!).
In contrary smoking cigarettes is a complete waste. You got nothing when you smoke except of heart deseases and lung cancer.
(frequent consumption of marijuana and alcohol makes you sick as well, but at least you get a little benefit.  ^-^)

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Re: Jeremey Clarkson on the Smoking Bans
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2010, 08:21:01 AM »
I never get sick from marijuana. If anything when I am nauseous pot helps quell my stomachs discomfort.
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Re: Jeremey Clarkson on the Smoking Bans
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2010, 08:36:22 AM »
Well I guess if you smoke pot (or eating cookies, drinking tea) you inhale deeper than on normal cigarettes. Your lungs won't be happy about that..

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Re: Jeremey Clarkson on the Smoking Bans
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2010, 08:37:59 AM »
You don't know my lungs very well.  :P
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Re: Jeremey Clarkson on the Smoking Bans
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2010, 08:40:26 AM »
 :shiner: probably not... maybe you're a Na'vi and Ultra is your Avatar!  ;D

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Re: Jeremey Clarkson on the Smoking Bans
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2010, 08:41:52 AM »
My secrets out.
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Re: Jeremey Clarkson on the Smoking Bans
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2010, 08:51:59 AM »
I am following the "tobacco" debate in Germany with great interest. There are commercials on local radio here for a smoking cessation product that claim 10% of all deaths worldwide every year are smoking related. That an ENORMOUS amount of damage on a global scale.

Until WW II, very few Asians smoked. US soldiers introduced them to it. A pack of cigarettes was included in every box of C-Rations thanks to the "generosity" of the tobacco companies. Now, China is building special clinics to care for people with lung cancer and lung cancer is a major health issue in Japan. Cruelly enough, more Japanese have died of smoking related disease than EVER died as the result of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Talk about your "dirty bomb"!  :o

Ultra has strong views on  government intervention on personal choices. But in my view, when government is required to pay the costs associated with those choices, THEN government has a right to intervene. Some would go so far as to say that if you smoke and contract a related disease, you should be denied health care unless you can pay for it out of your own pocket. That's pretty harsh for most folks, but it is logically not that hard to accept when you think about all the money the tobacco companies make from peddling their poisons. For decades, financial advisors have included tobacco stocks in their clients' portfolios simply because they provided a reliable return on investment.

Tis a conundrum. Its interesting to me to see how people in other countries view the problem.
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Re: Jeremey Clarkson on the Smoking Bans
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2010, 09:01:18 AM »
Sorry to argue here. In fact smokers don't increase the medical costs it's quite the opposite. It's quite morbid, but smokers statistically don't live as long as non-smokers. Therefore they don't need so much money for nursing homes or for other age-related diseases.
The politicans in Gerrmany are quite lagging. They don't want to have too many pensioners and tax on tobacco isn't pocket money
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Re: Jeremey Clarkson on the Smoking Bans
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2010, 09:16:30 AM »
Government isn't "forced" to cover the costs. Government is force and interjects itself into the issue in order to further legitimize itself. That is how I see it.
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Re: Jeremey Clarkson on the Smoking Bans
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2010, 09:20:24 AM »
No need to be sorry. Argument is fine. Some people actually know how to do it without turning it into a poo-flinging contest!   ;D

And I dissent from you demurrer, sir!  While smokers may not live as long, I suggest that they use up a LOT of medical resources ($$$$$) on their way out the door.   :idea: And they don't always have the courtesy to exit swiftly. Most of them linger, using up even more resources.

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Re: Jeremey Clarkson on the Smoking Bans
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2010, 09:45:58 AM »
For later diseases smokers pay during their whole life.
Here you currently pay € 4.00 – € 5.00 for 20 cigarettes. Tax is ~ 47%!
Believe me, at least for Germany and Switzerland it's statistically proven (though not very popular) that smokers cost health insurances less money than non-smokers.

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Re: Jeremey Clarkson on the Smoking Bans
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2010, 12:24:41 PM »
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it's statistically proven (though not very popular) that smokers cost health insurances less money than non-smokers.

If that's so ( and I trust it is ) then governments should start handing out free cigarettes to undesirable aliens and immigrants!   :hah:
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Re: Jeremey Clarkson on the Smoking Bans
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2010, 01:18:52 PM »
they don't need gratis tobacco from the government as they overstock the German market with smuggled Chinese cigarettes for years... ;D
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Re: Jeremey Clarkson on the Smoking Bans
« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2010, 10:41:09 AM »
In Italy they ban cigarettes from public exercises long ago.
Then they banned them from open spaces where children can be playing (parks, gardens)
Now they are discussing about ban them in the streets and there is a serious proposal to ban them while you are driving your car.

I do not smoke. I never did. I do not understand who smokes: your life get short, your breath get rotten, your teeth get yellow, your fingers get brown, your clothes stink and so on. And you think all of this is for free? No, you pay for it!

@Allemano, I'm sure a 30years old dying of cancer is by far more damaging for a society than a 80years old with osteoporosis.
The 30YO subject is a total expense, but the 80YO worked for 40 years, bought several good, produced childrens which will keep the society alive.
The natural deseases affecting old people are inevitable. The dameges you inflict yourself disregarding the society you are in, can be saved.

According to that, you do it because you have to and if you use 5 or 6 neurons, you'll realize that is self-distructive.
I respect  people who admit it: I can't quit, I'd love to, but I can't.
I respect who tries to quit but just can't: it's an addiction, and the struggle is not easy.
I don't understand who ignore the problem, pretending there's nothing wrong with that.

The addiction may make you weak, but you can't ignore your willing to a better, decent life.
I heard it several times "my granpa smoke for 60 years and died peacefully in his bed when he was 98"..."you have only one life to waste, why can't you follow some pleasures..." ..."I smoke only 4-5 per week, it won't hurt me"...
When your child tells you:" I'll do my homework after TV, I'll eat vegetables tomorrow, today Pizza.." you smile and you can read between the lines the innocent lies.
..but when it's about yourself, how can you ignore the truth?

This is a no-smoker opinion, of course.

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Re: Jeremey Clarkson on the Smoking Bans
« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2010, 10:44:40 AM »
Great post, PJ.
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Re: Jeremey Clarkson on the Smoking Bans
« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2010, 10:50:21 AM »
Its quite interesting to see input on this from different cultures.

I think Paul's analysis of costs to society is pretty close to my own, but Allemano says there are studies that back up his position. No matter who is right, there can be no argument that smoking imposed tremendous financial costs upon a society, not only in terms of medical care for the smoker but in lost productivity due to smoking related illnesses.  Of course, if you die early, you don't get to collect you retirement benefits, so that's one point in Allemano's favor!    ;)

And for Paul who has never smoked, I re-iterate the nicotine is more addictive than alcohol, cocaine, marijuana, opium, or crack. Cognitive analysis has nothing to do with it. Once you try it, you're hooked and no amount of rationalization is going to change that.

I just gave up alcohol about 10 days ago because I am going on a cruise soon and do not want to be mistaken for a whale in the event I fall overboard accidently.  ::)  No problem. A little spritzer of fruit juice and ginger ale at the end of the day and I'm fine. Quitting smoking for me never lasted more than a day.  At most.   :-[
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