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Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You.
« on: April 23, 2007, 01:18:05 PM »
I wonder how the politicians feel about this?   The bike is even more appreciated as the prices rise.


Unfazed by Rising Tab?

By Joe Carroll

April 23 (Bloomberg) -- Whether it's $50 to fill up your Prius or $130 for the Ford Expedition, $4-a-gallon gasoline is coming to a pump near you.

Fuel prices are rising at a pace not seen since Hurricanes Katrina and Rita knocked out a third of the U.S. oil refining industry in 2005. Gasoline consumption is climbing twice as fast as last year and will accelerate when summer travel begins late next month.

``What we're surprised by is the increased demand,'' said James Mulva, chief executive officer at ConocoPhillips, whose refineries from California to New Jersey produce 56 million gallons of gas a day, enough to meet 14 percent of the country's needs. ``Even though the price of gasoline is up, the demand is up,'' he said in an April 12 interview in Houston.

Population gains and U.S. economic growth are causing an increase in fuel purchases, according to Orlando, Florida-based AAA, the nation's largest organization for motorists. The U.S. economy will expand at a 2.4 percent annual pace in the second quarter, up from 1.8 percent in the first three months, according to the median estimate of 74 economists surveyed by Bloomberg. Gasoline use is rising almost 5 percent above the five-year average.

Americans are resigned to higher prices, says David Pursell, a principal with Pickering Energy Partners, a consulting firm in Houston.

``Last year, we had pump prices well over $3 for the summer and gasoline demand was up,'' Pursell said in an interview. ``Would $4 gasoline cause demand contraction? I think it will, but I also thought $3 gasoline would.''

Pump Prices

Gasoline inventories, measured by the days of demand they will cover, are at the lowest level in two decades for this time of year because of refinery fires, power failures and maintenance work oil companies failed to complete in 2006. No new U.S. refinery has been built in three decades, increasing the strain on existing plants.

Pump prices in the U.S. may increase to $4 a gallon from a nationwide average of $2.87 today, especially if hurricanes threaten Gulf of Mexico refineries, says Peter Beutel, an analyst at Cameron Hanover Inc. in Stamford, Connecticut, who helps industrial consumers manage energy costs.

``Hurricanes are always the huge wild card,'' said Beutel. ``We're all praying for a year like 2006 rather than 2005.''

The June-to-November Atlantic Ocean hurricane season may produce 17 tropical storms, with nine reaching hurricane force and four becoming major hurricanes whose winds exceed 111 miles per hour (179 kilometers per hour), London-based forecasters at Tropical Storm Risk said. Some of the storms will strike the Gulf Coast this year after a benign 2006, AccuWeather.com predicted.

Inflation Risk

Higher pump prices will make winners of refinery owners such as ConocoPhillips, San Antonio-based Valero Energy Corp. and Royal Dutch Shell Plc of The Hague. Shares of Valero and Sunoco Inc., whose only business is refining, are rebounding after a decline at the end of last summer.

The increase in fuel costs threatens to quicken inflation and restrain consumer spending in the U.S. An appreciation to $4 a gallon would add more than $10 for a driver who fills the 12- gallon tank of a Toyota Motor Corp. Prius. The owner of an Expedition, a Ford Motor Co. sport-utility vehicle with a 34- gallon capacity, faces an increase of almost $40.

Many Americans have no choice but to drive more, says Christopher Knittel, an economist who studies fuel consumption at the University of California in Davis.

More Commuters

``We live farther from our jobs than we did in the 1970s, and with the rise of dual-income households, we now have two people who drive those distances every day,'' Knittel said.

Consumers also do more driving for things such as taking children to soccer practice, which they are unlikely to quit, he said. The U.S. population has increased 1 percent a year in the past decade to 301 million in 2007, adding to demand for gasoline, economists said.

Rising fuel prices make it less likely that Federal Reserve policy makers, who have cited inflation risks for the past year, will cut interest rates to spur economic growth. Before the hurricane-induced peak in 2005, U.S. gasoline topped out at $1.42 a gallon in March 1981, or $3.21 when adjusted for inflation, according to the Energy Department.

Economies in Europe and Asia are less likely to be hurt by gasoline prices because fuel already is subject to high taxes designed to encourage conservation. A gallon of unleaded costs about 3.25 pounds a gallon ($6.49) in the U.K., and in Japan it's 130.3 yen per liter ($4.16 a gallon).

$4 Barrier

U.S. consumers will get little relief on gasoline prices from Europe this year, unlike 2005, when oil companies shipped more across the Atlantic after the hurricanes. Europe's gasoline inventories in February were 114.2 million barrels, down 11 percent from two years earlier, according to the International Energy Agency in Paris. The drop in Europe was almost twice the 5.7 percent decline in U.S. supplies in that time.

``Just as we used to think $3 a gallon was an impenetrable barrier, now it's $4,'' said Peter Morici, a professor at the University of Maryland School of Business in College Park and former chief economist for the U.S. International Trade Commission. Gasoline at $3.50 is likely, Morici said, and a conflict with Iran or any event that disrupts crude supplies may push it to $4.

Pump prices rose 33 percent in the past 11 weeks, the fastest rate of gain since a six-week, 34 percent rally to the record $3.069 in September 2005, Energy Department data show.

Bodman's `Worry'

U.S. Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman in an interview last week said the national average pump price could break the record this summer. While his agency's official forecast is for gasoline to peak next month at about where it is today, hurricanes, refinery closures or crude oil supply cuts may send prices higher, he said.

Higher prices are ``a legitimate worry,'' Bodman said. ``We have trouble spots all over the world'' that could boost crude oil prices. ``We're in a very tight situation.''

Spending on fuel in the U.S. consumes half as much household income as in the early 1980s, which means gasoline would need to reach almost $6 a gallon to have the same effect on the economy as in 1981, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas.

Storage tanks at U.S. refineries, terminals and ports hold enough gasoline to cover almost 22 days of domestic demand, 8.2 percent less than the five-year average and the lowest for this time of year since the 1980s, Energy Department figures show.

Shortages

Valero-owned filling stations in Denver and Colorado Springs, Colorado, ran dry after a Feb. 16 explosion and fire shut the company's McKee refinery in Sunray, Texas. A day earlier, a blaze at an Exxon Mobil Corp. plant in Nanticoke, Ontario, slashed output, resulting in shortages and higher prices across eastern Canada.

The McKee shutdown strained supplies so much that ConocoPhillips postponed maintenance at its Borger, Texas, refinery north of Amarillo to prevent shortages in the region.

``Refineries are becoming more complex,'' Mulva said in the Houston interview. ``What we're finding is it's more difficult keeping reliability up with more sophisticated pieces of equipment that are highly integrated.''

Tesoro Corp. of San Antonio, the second-largest refiner in the western U.S., said first-quarter refinery use dropped because oil companies delayed until this year maintenance that could have been done in 2006. The portion of U.S. refining capacity that was in operation in the first quarter declined to 87.3 percent from 88.9 percent a year earlier, according to Energy Department data.

`Refineries Blow Up'

``Prices will depend entirely on whether we have a couple of refineries blow up,'' said Philip K. Verleger, an economist who runs a consulting firm in Newport Beach, California. ``It's almost impossible we'll get to $4 a gallon if all the refineries run well this summer. But if something happens and there are problems, then anything's possible.''

The average share gain for Valero, Tesoro and six other oil-refining companies is 26 percent this year, outperforming the 4.1 percent gain for Exxon Mobil and a 4.7 percent increase for the Standard & Poor's 500 index.

The shares will continue to rally, said Paul Carlson, who helps manage $3 billion at HGK Asset Management in Jersey City, New Jersey.

``Refiners are doing very well these days,'' said Carlson, whose holdings include ConocoPhillips, the second-biggest U.S. refiner. ``There will be lots of demand for any new refining stocks.''

`Back in Favor'

As recently as August, investors were selling oil refiners on concern an economic slowdown would slash fuel demand in the U.S., the world's largest energy market. During seven weeks last August and September, Valero shares fell 29 percent, wiping out $12 billion in market value.

``Refining is very much back in favor,'' said Douglas Ober, who helps oversee $2.3 billion at Baltimore-based Adams Express Co. ``Even with higher prices, we haven't seen any substantial cutback in demand. They're cranking out as much of this stuff as they can, and we're throwing it in our tanks as fast as we can.''

The margin earned from processing crude oil into fuels rose to $24.68 a barrel on April 11, the highest since right after the hurricanes in September 2005. The margin has since retreated to $22.12 a barrel, still about double the five-year average.

``It'll be a fairly tight gasoline market all through the summer,'' said Robert Hinckley, an analyst at Rochdale Securities in New York.

To contact the reporter on this story: Joe Carroll in Chicago at jcarroll8@bloomberg.net
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Re: Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You.
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2007, 02:45:35 PM »
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The increase in fuel costs threatens to quicken inflation and restrain consumer spending in the U.S. An appreciation to $4 a gallon would add more than $10 for a driver who fills the 12- gallon tank of a Toyota Motor Corp. Prius. The owner of an Expedition, a Ford Motor Co. sport-utility vehicle with a 34- gallon capacity, faces an increase of almost $40.

Just me being obtuse and persnicketty, but, why the comparison of the largest /  thirstiest Ford with the thriftyest Toyota? Why not a Toyota-to-Toyota comparison, or a Ford-to-Ford comparison?

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Re: Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You.
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2007, 03:47:22 PM »
I believe despite their eco image Toyota's large number of SUVs and trucks have some of the worst mileage ...


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Re: Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You.
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2007, 04:49:57 PM »
Quote from: Joe Caroll, who sucks at math
An appreciation to $4 a gallon would add more than $10 for a driver who fills the 12- gallon tank of a Toyota Motor Corp. Prius. The owner of an Expedition, a Ford Motor Co. sport-utility vehicle with a 34- gallon capacity, faces an increase of almost $40.

Sniff check: A tank less than 3 times as large costs 4 times as much to fill? I think someone is being lazy with the numbers. Neither car requires premium to my knowledge.

Okay, so they did say "more than" $10 for the Prius and "almost" $40 for the expedition. Let's charitably say "more than" $10 means $10.99. That means the Expedition driver takes an increase of $31.14. That's not "almost $40" by my understanding, but I dont's got all them thar book lernin' n' figuring that lets me write for a big city publication.  ;D
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Re: Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You.
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2007, 06:41:18 PM »
I last gassed up on 4/8 and I'm still at 1/2 tank. That includes the 150 mile drive back from the park the same day I filled up.

Let's hear it for pedal power. Infinite MPG!!!

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Re: Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You.
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2007, 07:32:53 PM »
When I bought my Prius in October, gas was slipping back toward $2/gallon and I wondered if I had made the right decision.  I no longer wonder about that.    ;)
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Re: Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You.
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2007, 09:50:40 PM »
When I bought my Prius in October, gas was slipping back toward $2/gallon and I wondered if I had made the right decision.  I no longer wonder about that.    ;)

The weather here, finally, appears to have made the turn; tomorrow, the A6 goes away and Pighed hits the road for good this summer........

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Re: Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You.
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2007, 06:18:23 AM »
You North Americans don't know what real fuel price is!
As I've commented before, even allowing for your devalued gallon, we are on around $7/gallon in your terms and it's been higher :o
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Re: Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You.
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2007, 06:18:49 PM »
If it hit anything close to that price in the states, the whole economy would wither and die on the vine. Our entire business model is built around (relatively) cheap transportation. The vast majority of consumer goods are hauled long-distance via truck from ports on the coast -- $7 fuel would obliterate the Wal Mart way of life we know and "love". Heck, I paid close to $5 per US gallon in Canada last summer (I did a rough conversion in my head) and was thanking my lucky stars I had three passengers to share the costs.

It's worth noting, though, that the wholesale price  of fuel is virtually the same in the US and Western Europe.

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Re: Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You.
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2007, 02:18:17 PM »
It's over $3.00 here now.........

Here's my answer........

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Re: Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You.
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2007, 02:30:36 PM »
Nice ride!

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Re: Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You.
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2007, 02:56:09 PM »
Thanks, it's an '03 Cooper S "Works"............

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Re: Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You.
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2007, 02:57:03 PM »
Thanks, it's an '03 Cooper S "Works"............

How many miles on it?

Did you get rid of one of your other rides?
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Re: Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You.
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2007, 03:12:42 PM »
I'll be selling the Lexus very soon, keeping the Audi allroad since she only drives about 5k miles a year and the Jag is still up in the air. Here's a thread on it if you'd like to see where my thoughts are right now anyway...........
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The Lexus is cheap for such a great car. 91k miles, new tires, new brakes all around, got all the toys etc $10k

Oh, the Cooper has 44k on it, they guy who owned it was a single 45yo male with plenty o dough and he spent it! The car has almost every "goody" you could buy from MINI along with almost every factory option. The John Cooper Works kits were (still are?) installed at the dealer, and included a new supercharger and cyl head, different ECU and intercooler and some other tweaks. 210hp and 210 lb/ft torque. runs pretty good too!  :)
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Re: Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You.
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2007, 03:42:06 PM »
How's the gas mileage compared to the "normal" S? One of the things I loved about that car was that it would still get 35 mpg at a steady 75 mph.

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Re: Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You.
« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2007, 04:56:06 PM »
35 at a steady 75 eh? Hmmm, this seems to do about 30mpg on my 40 mile daily commute, don't know if that's because of the "works" or my lead foot!  ;D

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Re: Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You.
« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2007, 11:46:59 PM »
Too bad they don't make a vehicle with that kind of mileage I can fit in...
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Re: Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You.
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2007, 01:46:16 AM »
Too bad they don't make a vehicle with that kind of mileage I can fit in...

Have you tried sitting in a Mini? It's absolutely huge inside... at least in the front seats. Plenty of headroom, and the seats will slide all they way back against the back seat.

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Re: Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You.
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2007, 09:25:16 AM »
Have you tried sitting in a Mini? It's absolutely huge inside... at least in the front seats. Plenty of headroom, and the seats will slide all they way back against the back seat.

Yep. Leg was pinned between steering wheel and door....
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Re: Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You.
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2007, 11:55:25 AM »

Oh, the Cooper has 44k on it, they guy who owned it was a single 45yo male with plenty o dough and he spent it! The car has almost every "goody" you could buy from MINI along with almost every factory option.

If you've got some time to kill, go on the Mini site and build the most expensive mini you can. I was up to $45k-ish when I got a pop up saying something to the effect of "You've been staring at this screen too long, go outside and play".  ;D
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Re: Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You.
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2007, 03:26:23 PM »
The salesman who sold it new says the first owner spent right at $40 k on the car over the time he owned, just in accessories and factory goodies..... :o

I thanked him heartily for equipping the car so nicely for me............ ;D

Oh, and gas just took a 20c/gal jump last night, regular is now $3.05, and all my cars run on premium. Might be time to start driving the Tundra again, only 18mpg but reg gas...........

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Re: Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You.
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2007, 03:42:21 PM »
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Re: Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You.
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2007, 04:19:00 PM »
Good link KU.................notice all the "lowest" prices are in Missouri and the "highest "are all in Ks, there's about a 7c difference in the tax between the states.

The ones I saw this am on the way to work were obviously in KS. I'm sure there's more increases on the way tho...........

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Re: Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You.
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2007, 03:18:35 AM »
I wasn't sure which KC you were in....it is a tad confusing, having two cities with identical names, on either side of the river!  ;D

I've only been to KC MO.
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Re: Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You.
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2007, 03:41:15 PM »
Actually, there's three! North KC, Mo is in there too. There's a state line running right down the middle of the town overall (called State Line Road, natch) so you could be in either side, sometimes without knowing it unless you grew up here like I did.

Most of the people who live on the Kansas side don't actually live in KC, KS - that's a city all to itself, but in one of the suburbs like Overland Park (where I live) Olathe, Lenexa, Mission, Prairie Village, etc. Most people didn't want anything to do with KC, KS in the past as it was not a real nice place to live, but since the KS Speedway was built things have really turned around, and now parts of it are quite nice. Amazing what a little eminent domain proceedings and TIF's can do for a town........the KC metroplex covers well over 60 or 70 sq miles these days......

Edit: Paid $3.36/gal yesterday to top off the Audi...............
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