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Can Ron Paul Win?
« on: March 14, 2007, 02:03:21 PM »
On Monday morning March 12, Dr. Ron Paul, member of the House of Representatives from Texas, and no stranger to readers of this website, announced on C-SPAN that he will seek the Republican nomination for President. Now that he has moved from an "exploratory" candidacy to being a bona fide candidate, what are Rep. Paul’s chances of winning the GOP nomination?

I have known Ron for about 25 years. The last time I saw him was in mid-2004 when he spoke at a fundraiser for Rep. Scott Garrett in New Jersey. Scott was elected to Congress in 2002 and is a member of Ron’s Liberty Study Committee. During the question and answer period I stated that a Paul-Garrett ticket in 2008 would energize conservative Republicans and libertarians. Ron smiled and said, if I remember correctly, that a presidential run would be very unlikely. Well, here we are in 2007, and a Ron Paul presidential candidacy is a reality.

Ron and I first met at a 1982 monetary conference in Washington, DC. Two years later he invited me with other newsletter writers to tour the Federal Reserve, the U.S. Treasury and the Securities and Exchange Commission. In a Paul presidency, the downsizing of government would begin in earnest, two of the three institutions we toured nearly a quarter of century ago would be abolished, and the U.S. Treasury would probably be responsible for maintaining the integrity of a gold-backed dollar. In short, in a Paul presidency, Washington, DC would be less populated, the budget would shrink substantially, taxes would decline markedly, the dollar would be stronger and no American troops would be policing the world.

Soon after Ron announced his candidacy on C-SPAN, Republican Senator Chuck Hagel held a new conference in his home state of Nebraska to inform the press that he will not be a candidate for president at this time. In another development over the weekend, Fred Thompson, former U.S. senator from Tennessee and television actor, announced that he may seek the GOP nomination for president. On Monday evening I had the opportunity to view some of the news programs, and the political segments were about the possible candidacies of both Hagel and Thompson, while Ron Paul’s candidacy was ignored. Moreover, on Fox News Morton Kondracke commented on Senator Hagel’s announcement and said there is no anti-war candidate in the GOP field.

Clearly, the establishment media’s virtually blackout of Ron Paul’s candidacy is a magnificent case study in: media incompetence? bias? laziness? All of the above?

No matter how the media treat Ron in the months ahead, by this time next year both the Republican and Democrat presidential nominees should be all but selected, because so many primaries will be held next February and March. Thus, whoever raises substantial funds soon and has a message that resonates with voters for the next 12 months will be the overwhelming favorites to win their respective party’s nomination.

As of now, Dr. Paul has much in common with another (physician) presidential candidate, Howard Dean, who used the Internet so effectively in 2004 that the Democratic establishment sandbagged his campaign, because the Democrat bosses did not want to have, in their view, another McGovern (anti-war) candidacy. Ironically, Dean is one of the country’s leading hawks, when it comes to Iran.

Currently, the Internet is abuzz about Ron Paul. As the year unfolds, if more and more young Republicans people gravitate toward the Paul campaign just as young Democrats did for Dean in 2004, the GOP establishment will be apoplectic.

For Ron to become one of the "top tier" GOP candidates he has to have one quality that he does not have now – a media-anointed celebrity status. Currently, the top tier candidates are "celebrities" – Rudy, McCain, Romney, and Newt (even though he has not announced his candidacy). Ron can become a top tier candidate and a serious contender for the nomination if he can raise more funds than his own advisors, I suspect, think is possible by December 31, 2007.

According to many pundits, each of the leading candidates in both parties could raise as much as $100 million by the time the primaries are over. So, for the media to characterize anyone a top tier candidate throughout the year, he or she should be on track to raise at least $50 million or more. Could any of the presidential candidates that are currently in the back of the pack raise anywhere near that daunting amount?

If $50 million is the minimum that a candidate will have to raise to be taken seriously by the media, then every lesser-known candidate needs 50,000 individuals to make an average contribution of $1,000 to give him a $50 million war chest. (The maximum individual contribution is $2,300 per primary and general election.)

Ron’s political base is fiscal conservatives, anti-tax citizens, anti-war Republicans, Democrats and Independents, constitutionalists, hard-money advocates, small business owners, civil libertarians, anti-universal healthcare physicians, pro-lifers, parents who home school, and anyone else who considers himself a real patriot. In other words, if Ron’s substantial base provides him with volunteers, contributions and votes, he would be a very competitive candidate.

In the final analysis, about 50,000 to 100.000 Americans could determine the next presidential nominees of both parties. In the GOP presidential primary, if Ron Paul, Sam Brownback, Duncan Hunter, Tommy Thompson, or any other lesser known candidate excites GOP voters for the next 12 months, then Rudy, McCain and Romney will prove that in a marathon it is not who leads the pack that counts but who is the turtle in the race.

March 14, 2007

Murray Sabrin, Ph.D. , is professor of finance in the Anisfield School of Business, Ramapo College of New Jersey, where he is executive director of the Center for Business and Public Policy. He is the author of Tax Free 2000: The Rebirth of American Liberty.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/sabrin5.html
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Re: Can Ron Paul Win?
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2007, 02:17:48 PM »
He has as much chance as I do of winning LeMans driving backwards in a clapped out Renault Alliance.

In other words, it COULD happen!......... :o
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Re: Can Ron Paul Win?
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2007, 02:22:00 PM »
He has as much chance as I do of winning LeMans driving backwards in a clapped out Renault Alliance.

In other words, it COULD happen!......... :o

People said much the same about Dean at this point in 2003.  He almost pulled it off.

Time will tell.  The internet is a powerful thing.
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Re: Can Ron Paul Win?
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2007, 03:32:42 PM »
You are both correct and I expect the same outcome.

It is like I have been saying about Obama. He may try to cast himself as an outsider, but he will not get the nomination if he is. Meaning the only way to get the party's nomination is to be a party insider (i.e. beholden to the party elite).

Those that control the party have to believe you are malleable to their will, or you will not get the nomination.

Paul doesn't bow to the party line which leaves him out in the cold come convention time next year.

This does not mean I think he should be ignored. By choosing to run with an R after his name gives him the "bully pulpit" that much more than he would have with the L. There will be those that will hear/read his name and investigate him that otherwise would not look at actual "pro-freedom" ideas (thinking they already hold "pro-freedom" ideas).

Do I think he has a snoball's chance in hell of winning the nomination?

Of course not!

Do I think his running as an R is good for the country?

You bet!
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Re: Can Ron Paul Win?
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2007, 05:45:06 PM »
He has my full support, but there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that he'll make it through the GOP gauntlet.

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Re: Can Ron Paul Win?
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2007, 09:29:27 PM »
choosing to run with an R after his name gives him the "bully pulpit" that much more than he would have with the L

Excellent point!    ;)
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Re: Can Ron Paul Win?
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2007, 01:51:37 AM »
Ron Paul's YouTube subscriber base continues to grow, passing candidates left and right. It is now the second largest of the presidential candidates.  Obama is next.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

http://video.google.com/videosearch?um=1&tab=wv&client=firefox-a&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=ron+paul
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Re: Can Ron Paul Win?
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2007, 02:50:19 AM »
His stock went way up with most sane Americans after he avoided the "they hate us for our freedoms" line that seems to be mandatory for GOP candidates. He may well get the boot from the debates, but it should set him up for a pretty solid run as an independent.

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Re: Can Ron Paul Win?
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2007, 02:52:43 AM »
His stock went way up with most sane Americans after he avoided the "they hate us for our freedoms" line that seems to be mandatory for GOP candidates. He may well get the boot from the debates, but it should set him up for a pretty solid run as an independent.

He won't get the boot.

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Re: Can Ron Paul Win?
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2007, 02:54:51 AM »
Can Ron Paul Win?

No.
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Re: Can Ron Paul Win?
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2007, 03:22:08 AM »
Can Ron Paul Win?

No.

Bah!

If you believe it, you can achieve it.

If you ask me if he will win, I will say no.  If you ask me if he CAN win, I gotta believe.

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Re: Can Ron Paul Win?
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2007, 06:27:54 AM »
I believe the next presidential election has been scripted already, and I don't believe his name is on the script.  :crap:

Even if elections were open, honest and fair, libertarianism (whatever the label) involves more self-actualization than most people are comfortable with. The mindset of 'there ought to be a law' is now generations old, and I'm afraid that folks like big brother in the driver's seat.   :(
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Re: Can Ron Paul Win?
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2007, 04:05:33 PM »
The issue is not so much whether he can win but whether he can hang around long enough to influence the process.  The media is already screaming to get him and Mike Gravel out of the way. It will take a concerted outpouring of support from the populace to save these two intrepid space travellers from being relegated to the dustbin of history - and pretty damn soon, too.    :(

We know it takes bux to compete today. I have sent a contribution to Paul AND Gravel. That should seal their fate right there!   :P ::)
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Michigan GOP Chief Won't Bar Ron Paul
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2007, 09:30:16 AM »
Michigan GOP Leader Decides Against Trying To Bar Paul From '08 Presidential Debates

AP) The Michigan Republican Party chairman has changed his mind about trying to bar Ron Paul from future GOP presidential debates because of remarks the Texas congressman made that suggested the Sept. 11 attacks were the fault of U.S. foreign policy.

Saul Anuzis said over the weekend that he won't circulate a petition among Republican National Committee members to ban Paul from more debates. At a GOP candidates' debate last week, Paul drew attacks from all sides when he linked the terror attacks to U.S. bombings.

"After consulting with my fellow RNC members, I believe there isn't anything to be gained by advancing a petition aimed solely at removing Congressman Paul from the debates," Anuzis wrote in his daily blog Saturday. "The primary is and will continue to work itself out."

Paul campaign spokesman Jesse Benton said Anuzis was right to reverse course, adding that banning Paul is "very unpopular among the people."

During the debate, Paul asked: "Have you ever read about the reasons they attacked us? They attack us because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years."

GOP presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani rebuked Paul when he made the statement. Anuzis later called the comments "off the wall and out of whack."
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Re: Can Ron Paul Win?
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2007, 06:22:45 AM »
In a way, I kinda wish they HAD banned RP. A fella can't BUY that kind of free publicity!    ;D
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Re: Can Ron Paul Win?
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2007, 08:26:22 AM »
I know I'm backing a three-legged dog in this race, but Kucinich, IMO, has some great talking points as well....

Plus, his wife's a babe....about time we had something entertaining to watch at the SOTU addresses, IMO.....

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Re: Can Ron Paul Win?
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2007, 08:32:34 AM »
I know I'm backing a three-legged dog in this race, but Kucinich, IMO, has some great talking points as well....

I gotta go throw up now.   :bonk:

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Re: Can Ron Paul Win?
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2007, 11:53:29 AM »
The Ron Paul file.

Articles by him and about him.  Read here to learn which candidate should be our next president.
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Re: Can Ron Paul Win?
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2007, 10:15:40 AM »
I can't embed it. 

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Please watch it. 

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Re: Can Ron Paul Win?
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2007, 07:05:35 PM »
Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Ron Paul

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/rp-everything.html

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Ron Paul Revolution Halftime Report
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2007, 10:05:35 AM »
In terms of his pursuit of the Republican nomination, it’s already halftime for the Ron Paul Revolution. He announced his campaign in January and by February the nomination will likely be decided. It’s true that most of the country is not paying any attention but that misses the point, as do polls showing Ron Paul with just a few points in the national polls. By the time most of the country starts paying attention, the contest for the nomination will be over.

When I learned that Ron Paul was running, I carefully analyzed the race and concluded "the Ron Paul campaign could be a political earthquake," explained why he can win, and called him Hillary Clinton’s worst nightmare. People unaware of my long-time status as a political junkie and amateur (unpaid) analyst accused me of hubris or wishful thinking. No, I was just trying to predict the course of events as I did with a primitive blog on the 2004 campaign.

Leaving the nomination aside for a moment, isn’t it crazy to think that Ron can win in November? My father always told me, "every election is a choice." You can’t vote "yes" or "no." It’s always some candidate against another candidate. Long before Ron Paul entered the race, I was firmly convinced that Hillary would be the Democratic nominee. I even coined a term for those who can’t accept that possibility: Hillary denial. Hillary has done very well in the debates while Obama has been quite average if you ask me. My father, a college debate champion, saw Hillary speak many years ago and was very impressed by her communication skills. In my view, the only candidate who can seriously challenge Hillary is Bill Richardson and he just won’t be able to do it. He’ll settle for VP. Obama has lost his initial luster in part because Ron Paul has suddenly become the favored candidate of those who want real change, something really new. In Texas parlance, Obama is "all hat, no cattle." Pencil in Hillary for November.

As I said before, anyone who runs against Hillary starts with 45 percent of the vote just on general principles. Ron Paul can pick up those last five points by outflanking Hillary "from the left" on the Iraq War, drug war, monetary populism and opposition to the corporate state and the military industrial complex. His experience practicing medicine both before and after Medicare/Medicaid will allow him to checkmate Hillary on her key domestic issue. We already know he’ll hammer her on her support for the war. So, Ron will best Hillary on the key foreign policy issue and a key domestic policy issue. Perhaps Hillary will score points on extraterrestrial policy issues. Ron is indeed Hillary’s worst nightmare.

Now, let’s back up and talk about the Republican nomination. My initial concern was whether Ron would be included in the debates. I was confident that a series of debates would reveal him to be "a man of substance versus a number of shallow sloganeers." That has in fact occurred, particularly in the second debate which gave Ron more time and better questions to work with. There is no way at this point that Ron can be excluded from future debates. So, expect him to continue to pummel his opponents with his real world experience and encyclopedic command of issues, economics, and history. One thinks of Patton’s famous speech: "My God, I actually pity those poor bastards we're going up against. My God, I do."

Another factor in my initial analysis was the deeply flawed nature of Ron’s major opponents: McCain, Romney and Giuliani. Since Fred Thompson is being quickly rushed into the race, even mainstream Republicans now recognize that none of the Big Three will lead them to the Promised Land. Out of the Big Three, McCain at least has an ounce or two of integrity. The other two are political chameleons who will say virtually anything to gain power, and have! Fred Thompson is a more formidable candidate to be sure, but he is not without problems himself. Expect the pre-candidate glow to fade quickly as the honeymoon ends and the marriage begins. He is pro-war, has few specific ideas about anything and he lobbied for Jean-Bertrand Aristide. As Ricky Ricardo would say, Fred has some splaining to do. Fred’s big problem is that at a time of great dissatisfaction with the status quo, he has been a player in the Republican establishment since the early 1970’s, just what the doctor did not order.

Douglas Turner brilliantly skewered Fred Thompson on Monday:

    Thompson, a 6-foot-5-inch television character actor who manages ‘gravitas’ but offers little else, gave his views on Iraq in a staged interview shopped around the Internet by the conservative Hoover Institution. Former Sen. Thompson of Tennessee, trying to look like Ronald Reagan but sounding like Lyndon Johnson, pledged himself to endless war. We have to worry about American prestige "in that part of the world," and how it would be damaged by a pullout, Thompson said, echoing Johnson’s worries about dominoes in Southeast Asia. Thompson airily claimed that two friends have sons in Iraq and that they are sending home e-mails filled with optimism about conditions there. If they’re happy, "I’ve got optimism and hope," he said last week. Acts of terrorism there have risen to 1,000 a week. "We must take every opportunity and exhaust every reasonable hope that we have to not lose there," said Thompson, an undeclared candidate nudging Giuliani as a GOP favorite in some polls. . . . Fred Thompson had a brief and undistinguished record in the Senate but bears himself as one burdened with deep thoughts.

Fred Thompson actually helps Ron Paul. Ron is already the only antiwar Republican. Fred Thompson further splits the pro-war vote to Ron’s obvious benefit. Now, let’s factor in the unintended consequences of the power elite’s efforts to thwart populist candidates. For a long time, many Republican delegates have been selected in winner-take-all fashion, either statewide or in each congressional district. Also, this year, the power elite has frontloaded the primaries to favor of establishment candidates such as Rudy. Alas, they have outsmarted themselves this year, a mistake that may prove fatal to them. With the first series of primaries only months away, there simply isn’t time for weaker candidates to lose big, run out of money and quit. Most second-tier vanity candidates will stay in the race. With 11 candidates splitting the vote, Ron Paul could win early primaries and loads of delegates with just twenty percent of the vote. Fred Thompson's imminent announcement helps Ron Paul, thank him very much. The stars are aligning perfectly for the Ron Paul Revolution.

Ultimately, Ron Paul will begin to gain support even from those Republicans who disagree with his foreign policy views when the grim truth sinks in. As the only antiwar Republican, he is the only Republican who can beat Hillary in November.

There is a critical subplot in the Ron Paul Revolution. I said early on that Ron can win because he will be the candidate of the internet. Well, the "internet primary" is already over. This is quickly becoming a battle between the new media – the internet and unconventional TV shows such as Bill Maher, the Daily Show and Colbert Report – and the old media. After being forced to cover Ron during the debates, the old mainstream media, except for a story last week in the Washington Post, is again pretending he doesn’t exist. The truly fascinating thing about this Revolution is that it is simultaneously a velvet revolution against the political establishment and against its partner in crime, the mainstream media. This should be no surprise. The relation between big government and big media, the media-government complex, has been way too cozy for way too long. Tim Russert, who ignores Ron Paul, made his bones as a soldier for the Democratic machine in Buffalo, then parlayed his jobs with Mario Cuomo and Daniel Moynihan into a gig at NBC. Chris Matthews, who dissed Ron Paul at the first debate and largely ignores him on his (otherwise pretty good) show, used to work for Tip O’Neil. And it is well known that the door swings the other way as Tony Snow and many other examples show. Big government; big media; what’s the difference in corporate state America? As the Ron Paul campaign shows, not much.

Skeptics point to national "scientific" polls that show Ron with 1–3% support. These are fairly meaningless at this point. What matters is not national polls, but polls in the first states to be contested, Iowa and New Hampshire. Second, there is reason to believe that much of Ron’s support is not being counted. Pollsters tend not to question people who haven’t voted recently or who don’t have a landline. For Ron to be at three percent in New Hampshire at this point is really quite good in light of the newness of his campaign and his slight expenditure of resources thus far. I see him creeping up slowly to ten or fifteen before the end of the year, in very good shape for the stretch run. History shows that one or two wins or strong showings can instantly boost polling numbers across the country. Ron must do well in the first three or four states, but if he does, things will take care of themselves poll-wise.

I said that the Ron Paul campaign could be a political earthquake. The clues are all there: young people and people previously not politically active are forming the core of his support; he is drawing support from the left and the right; Democrats for Paul groups are starting up; crowds are building and lies and smears are bouncing harmlessly off Ron Paul like so many bullets off Superman’s chest. In his recent media appearances, Ron is in what great athletes call "the zone."

What makes an earthquake is pent-up energy suddenly unleashed with tremendous force. A lot of problems that can only be addressed in a Jeffersonian framework of peace and freedom have been festering for too long in Hamiltonian America. A lot of people have been waiting a long time for a Jeffersonian to run for president and they’re going to make the most of it.

"There is a tide in the affairs of men, Which taken at the flood, leads on to fortune. Omitted, all the voyage of their life is bound in shallows and in miseries. On such a full sea are we now afloat. And we must take the current when it serves, or lose our ventures."

Prediction: the second half of the Ron Paul Revolution will be even more exciting than the first half. The Republican establishment and the old media will find it revolting.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled velvet revolution.

I will have a more to say about the Ron Paul Revolution Thursday, June 21st, at 12 noon at the Grover Cleveland Statue in front of City Hall in Buffalo, New York. The event will be filmed for You Tube to promote my new radio show. If you’re within driving distance of Buffalo that day and you don’t show up, you’ll have some splaining to do.

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Re: Can Ron Paul Win?
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2007, 11:03:55 AM »
It would be great, but I still doubt the RNC will allow him to get the nomination. Even if he does well in early primaries. They will "Dean" him if they have to.
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Re: Can Ron Paul Win?
« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2007, 02:05:45 AM »
I still think he should jump to the LP once he has his name out there. He doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell if he tries to run the GOP gauntlet.

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Re: Can Ron Paul Win?
« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2007, 09:43:44 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoeoc-E9DXk

Evidence that big brother's financial tentacles control Big Media, IMHO.

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