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LIfe With Prius - Month One
« on: November 23, 2006, 08:47:21 AM »
My Prius was one month old last weekend. It has accumulated 3,200 miles during that time.    Even I didn't think I drove THAT much!   :o

The first question everyone asks is about mpg.  My worst tank has been 41 and my best 49.  Right around 45 mpg seems to be normal for my kind of driving, which is a LOT of one block over, two streets down followed by short stretches on city streets.

So, what's to like?

One, the car is a hatchback.  I actually prefered the Honda Civic Hybrid for a coupla reasons, but the hatchback is just SUCH a good idea for real world practicality, it was the ultimate deciding factor.

Two, the owner gives up NOTHING to drive this hybrid. The experience is so ORDINARY. There are no compromises required to drive one of these things, which is precisely what Toyota was aiming at.  EV1 drivers were feircely loyal, much as MG owners are, because there was a certain set of known adjustments one had to make in order to use the vehicles.  That is great for enthusiasts and may be part of the charm of an automobile, but for Main Street drivers,  NOT having to make adjustments and compromises is the difference between a sale and no sale.  Well, yeah, the CVT is a bit different, but when you press on the "gas" pedal it goes forward and when you step on the brake, it stops. What's not to like?   ;)  Secondly, this is NOT an economy car, like an Aveo or a Daewoo, where driving down the street makes you feel like you have taken a vow of poverty and everyone around you is pointing and shouting "CHEAP BASTARD."  It is spacious, comfortable, has a supple, quiet ride, handles turns with aplomb, has power windows, a set and forget A/C - heater system, a SmartKey system that is really smart, alloys, fold flat rear seats, a great stereo (better than the Bose unit in my Maxima) and generous rear seat space even with the front seats all the way back.

Three, the information screen is better than a DVD player. One screen allows you to observe the interaction between the gasoline and the electric motor and to see when the electric motor is drawing amps and when it is putting them back. Fascinating stuff when you first get the car.  A second screen shows you instantaneous fuel economy, average mpg in 5 minute segments as well as electricity regenerated during that time and a digital readout to the tenth of an mpg of your economy since the car was last started. Using this screen teaches to understand how to maximize your fuel economy and how to find the sweet spot - known as "gliding" to Prius afficianados - which occurs when you maintain your current speed using only the electric motor, which means that your travel is "free" in the sense that you are consuming no gasoline. I have experienced "gliding" at speeds up to 70 mph and it is a joy.  But there IS such a thing as too much information. After about 10 days with the car, I turned the screen off. My fuel economy went UP as a result.    :o

The downside?  There are a few nits to pick. The windshield wiper delay is too short at its longest setting and too long at its shortest setting.  The overhead reading light buttons are in the wrong place (for me) to be intuitive in the dark and as a result, I spend quite a bit of time at night with the sunglasses holder open!  With all the information available on the center dash screen, their is no built in compass, no "guages" to monitor for engine temperature, voltage, transaxle temperature, cylinder head temperature, etc like my 64 Chevy with the JC Whitney guage cluster, and one cannot monitor outside temperature without getting the full info screen with all the instantaneous fuel readouts and little digital wheels turning and so forth.  But the outside temperature feature DOES illuminate for a few seconds when the temp drops below 37 degrees to alert you to the possibility of ice on the road. I once lusted for a Rover sedan just so I could have this feature.

In other words, there is very little NOT to like about this car.  I am completely satisfied with my choice, especially now that I have added a dark red pinstripe to its all black flanks to give it some eye appeal.  It is a modern design that looks nothing like anything else on the road.   And filling up after 400+ miles for twenty bucks of less is sweet.  My monthly gas bill used to be right around $375. This month it was $187.  Now THAT is SWEET!!   8)
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Re: LIfe With Prius - Month One
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2006, 09:58:44 AM »
And filling up after 400+ miles for twenty bucks of less is sweet.  My monthly gas bill used to be right around $375. This month it was $187.  Now THAT is SWEET!!   8)

At 60 miles per gallon with my Honda, I am embarassing your monthly gas bill with more mileage!   ;) :P

Seriously though, somehow, this car suits you.  Glad you like it and it is working out for you.

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Re: LIfe With Prius - Month One
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2006, 11:01:16 AM »
Yeah, but you don't have a hatchback!  Nyah, Nyah, Nyah..... :P
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Re: LIfe With Prius - Month One
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2006, 12:44:04 PM »
Have you done any cold weather driving yet? Lots of reports here of serious mpg drop (more so than a conventional car).

One has to wonder if there are accidents caused by drivers being over attentive to their fuel economy output screens  - I think what you did is for the best - turn it off and enjoy the car.

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Re: LIfe With Prius - Month One
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2006, 02:49:22 PM »
Glad to hear you're enjoying your purchase. Just one question -- how in the hell did you rack up 3200 miles in one month? What do you do for a living aside from the B&B?

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Re: LIfe With Prius - Month One
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2006, 06:18:10 PM »
Hmmmm....don't know about cold weather performance yet, AD. But "winter blend" gasoline tends be less efficient than summer blends and the FI computers do richen things up a bit when the thermometer drops. I will have to get back to you on that. I AM quite curious to see how the traction control, vehicle stability control and abs interact and perform in slippery going.  I consider myself to be an excellent driver in low traction situations. I'm not sure I'm going to want all that electronic assistance. Have to get back to you on that one too.

As to the mileage, I honestly don't know. It seems to be quite a bit more than when I had the Maxima. I'm puzzled myself. I do deliver AutoTrader magazines on Thursday (hence the beauty of the hatchback) and I am a constable another 5 days a week (we are prohibited from serving legal papers on Sunday.) Yesterday, for instance, I was in the car from 5 am til 7 pm and piled on about 250 miles in one day.   :o  I was some glad to get the hell OUT of the car at the end of the day, I can tell you. 

Maybe the odometer is wrong? I better check it against some measured mile markers. Perhaps it is a devious plot by Toyota to boost their observed fuel economy AND reduce warranty claims.  Hey, if that's true, I could file a class action suit against Toyota on behalf of ALL Toyota owners in America.  With the money I'd collect, I could finally retire and get that Aston Martin I crave. And I wouldn't give a shit about gas mileage or emissions or anything else ever again.    ;D

Yup, think I'll so that odo check first thing tomorrow!

Btw, coming home from the inlaws, I was showing the wife all the neat things the screen could do, until I almost drove head on into an oncoming vehicle. We turned the screen off after that and just drove home. The damn thing IS distracting..... ::)
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Re: LIfe With Prius - Month One
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2006, 06:47:17 PM »
Maybe the odometer is wrong? I better check it against some measured mile markers. Perhaps it is a devious plot by Toyota to boost their observed fuel economy AND reduce warranty claims.  Hey, if that's true, I could file a class action suit against Toyota on behalf of ALL Toyota owners in America.  With the money I'd collect, I could finally retire and get that Aston Martin I crave. And I wouldn't give a shit about gas mileage or emissions or anything else ever again.    ;D

Irony of course would be you'd still be driving the Toyota with the Aston in the shop all the time  ;D

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Re: LIfe With Prius - Month One
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2006, 08:55:19 PM »
I read that Toyota has re-evaluated the service life of the Prius battery pack, based on recent service experience of the older Prius models. Toyota's now saying they're good for 150,000 miles, which is great news...of course, that will last you about 4 years at your current rate :)

Even with a battery replacement, though, I suspect you'll be well ahead of the game, $/mile -wise, compared to any other reasonable vehicle you could have bought. except maybe a 2-3 year old diesel VW
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Re: LIfe With Prius - Month One
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2006, 10:24:43 AM »
You're right, S&M.  At the rate I am packing on the miles, I may have the highest mileage Prius in captivity by the time the lease is up. I'm gonna have to buy it or sell it at that time. The lease is only for 18K a year and right now it looks like the car is gonna have about 80 - 90 K on it by then instead of the 54 K it should have. Lessee, at 20 cents a mile, that means I would own Toyota Motor Credit about {figure, figure, figure.....carry the 1} about $6000 at lease termination!    :o

I must say, I am looking forward to the choices that will be available in the marketplace in 3 years. Hopefully by then, I will be free from the "struggle for the legal tender" and trade for a diesel/electric Aston Marton DBS!    :lmao:
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Re: LIfe With Prius - Month One
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2006, 01:18:54 PM »
I read that Toyota has re-evaluated the service life of the Prius battery pack, based on recent service experience of the older Prius models. Toyota's now saying they're good for 150,000 miles, which is great news...of course, that will last you about 4 years at your current rate :)

Even with a battery replacement, though, I suspect you'll be well ahead of the game, $/mile -wise, compared to any other reasonable vehicle you could have bought. except maybe a 2-3 year old diesel VW

resale is pretty strong on those diesels plus they aren't cheap o maintaince - my father inlaw had one for a while - special tools to do even an oil change (from memory it was over $100 mark)

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Re: LIfe With Prius - Month One
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2006, 02:45:10 PM »
over $100 mark)

Or about $19.95 US!   ;D
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Re: LIfe With Prius - Month One
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2007, 10:04:33 PM »
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Re: LIfe With Prius - Month One
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2007, 10:41:48 PM »
So Sniff Petrol has been reduced to lifting jokes from last year's South Park episodes?

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Re: LIfe With Prius - Month One
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2007, 10:42:59 PM »
So Sniff Petrol has been reduced to lifting jokes from last year's South Park episodes?

Not a regular watcher of South Park, I did not know that.
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Re: LIfe With Prius - Month One
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2007, 10:59:35 PM »
I honestly think you'd dig that show. Trey Parker and Matt Stone are card carrying Libertarians.

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Re: LIfe With Prius - Month One
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2007, 11:28:56 PM »
Sometimes that show is just too over-the-top for me; other times, like the one about peewee hockey, it borders on brilliance.  Only parents who've been through that whole experience could write something as apt....it nearly had me on the floor a couple of times....

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Re: LIfe With Prius - Month One
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2007, 11:49:52 PM »
I haven't watched it in years.
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Re: LIfe With Prius - Month One
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2007, 09:57:18 AM »
Does this car make economic sense?

Does this car make ecologic sense?

What is your current opinion, mon frere?

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Re: LIfe With Prius - Month One
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2007, 10:55:57 AM »
Funny you should ask. I have been thinking I have neglected this thread. So here's an update.

A. Economic sense:  For ME it does, but I use a vehicle differently than most. Previously, I used my Maxima (22 - 25 mpg) five days a week and my truck (15 - 17 mpg) one day a week.  Some months, my gasoline purchases approached $400. $350 was pretty normal.

With the Prius, I no longer use the truck (it has enough interior room to match the carrying capacity that I need of the S-10 because of the hatchback) and my monthly fuel bills are now right around $125. That is a pretty big difference, one that goes a long way toward my monthly purchase cost of the car.

I had heard that the mpg performance drops off in winter and that proved to be true. In the warmer months with summer blend gasoline, I was consistently averaging about 45 - 47 mpg with one tank at an honest 50+ mpg. In the cold month of February, my worst tank dropped to 35 mpg - a rather dramatic decrease.  But ALL batteries are affected negatively by cold and the Prius is no exception. Where before I used to begin from a dead stop on battery alone  and go for a bit before the engine kicked in, in February, I noticed I almost NEVER could do so. The engine was on all the time.  Now, as the weather has warmed (somewhat), I am hearing the whine of the electic motor alone more frequently and mileage has crept back up to 40+. So, temperature definitely has a significant impact on the fuel economy issue.  Still and all, I am spending $200 or more less on gas every month, so to my way of thinking, the car is doing what I wanted it to.

B:  Ecological sense:  Frankly, this is not what I bought the car for. Though and unapologetic tree hugger from way back, the fact that the car's emissions can actually be cleaner than the air being drawn in is something I spend very little time thinking about.  My car is a business tool, an appliance as it were.  I know that the amount of pollutants exiting the tailpipe are probably 1/4 of what the Maxima generated, but that seldom impacts my immediate thinking. 

C: Current opinion:  I like it.  It rides like a bigger, more expensive car, is comfortable for 12 hour stints in the saddle, has a first rate sound system, comes fully equipped with self leveling headlights, climate control, traction control, vehicle stability control, 6 air bags, all the usual array of power this and that buttons, electric steering that works just fine, a hatchback design that swallows enormous amounts of stuff, split fold down rear seats, an abundance of cup holders, bottle holders, small object holders and TWO glove boxes, a large center armrest with storage box beneath and it looks like nothing else on the road.  Not to mention the by now legendary Toyota reliability factor. And when larger, more capable batteries become available at an affordable price to make the switch to plug-in technology, the space to accomodate them has already been built into the car.  Oh, and a tire inflation monitor system too. All this for $24,300 on the sticker (which includes the SmartKey system - something I have grown to appreciate and like) and you have a really, really good car for just a little more than the average price of a new car in today's marketplace.  What's not to like?

D:  Dislikes.  My list of dislikes is short. Most are quibbles. One is not. Let's start with the one that is not. The traction control system is WAY too aggressive and intrusive and cannot be turned off.  MANY'S the time when I have been intent on getting out in front of oncoming trafffic when a small bit of sand or snow or wet pavement has caused the TC to kick in. When that happens, the car turns all weak in the knees and stays that way for a second or two. NOT what I want to the car to do.  I don't mind a car that assists, but a car that overrides my desires and substitutes some engineer's idea of what I want makes me frown.    :(

The interior light is one of those rheostat controlled affairs. It takes too long to reach full illumination and dims itself far too soon after the door closes.  The interval control for the wipers is a similar pest.  The longest pulse is too short for light mist conditions and the shortest pulse is too long for near constant rain conditions.  The interior dome light controls are placed illogically and not where you can find them easily in the dark.  The multiple info screens available on the center mounted monitor are just annoying and distracting after a few weeks with the car.  I have kept the screen off since November.  It tells you when the temperature drops below 37 degrees F when it has been warmer than that but not when it is 33 degrees when you first start out in the morning. The super spiffy articulated right side wiper arrangement was incapacitated by an snow/ice storm we had a month ago, leaving me with no wipers at all (granted it was an unusual meterological situation, but not THAT unusual). I would appreciate the info screen more if it would tell me some old fashioned info like engine speed, water temp and the like.

Most of those gripes are small potatoes indeed.  Overall, it is truly a terrific automobile. It is unlikely there will be a SpecPrius Racing League any time soon, but for doing the things that ordinary people ordinarily do with their cars, it is a gem. Overall, I am pleased with my purchase and feel it was fairly priced for what it delivers. And yes, I would buy another one - IF I do not win the lottery. For in that case, I will take a well restored XK-140 in carmine with black leather, thank you very much!    ;D

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Re: LIfe With Prius - Month One
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2007, 10:23:27 AM »
What do you need with engine speed?

What are your thoughts on the look of the vehicle?
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Re: LIfe With Prius - Month One
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2007, 12:32:40 PM »
Actually, I have no USE for an engine speed readout. I'm just accustomed to having one. And the info the system gives is ALSO fairly useless.

Personally, I like the syling very much. It stands out in the crowd and looks like nothing else on the road. It has a futuristic quality to it that goes well with its high tech pretensions, imho.

I have improved it with a red stripe that kicks up to follow the line of the rear windows. I'll take a photo of that once the mud season ends around here and I can get the accumulation of crap from winter driving off the car.

I also have ordered a chrome "turbo" script (from a VW New Beetle) which I plan to add to the back panel right above the Hybrid Synergy Drive emblem. Being goofy makes me smile.    ;D  Perhaps I should book a couple years of appointments with Rich..... :P
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