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Prius Shuts Down in the Snow, Reader Complains
« on: February 01, 2007, 12:41:10 PM »
Toyota Calls Automatic Power Reduction a Safety Feature

 The Toyota Prius is known to occasionally shut down its hybrid engine system for no apparent reason, wear tires quickly and unevenly, even drain a battery dry when parked for an extended period.

But here's one of the oddest Prius stories on file at ConsumerAffairs.Com:

"When my car is on any kind of slick surface that causes one of the front wheels to slip, ALL power to the drive system is stopped," wrote Christopher of Reston, Virginia.

Christopher said he first experienced the problem with his Prius "on a sloped gravel driveway in July but discounted it as a temporary thing."

Then the snow fell.

"This past weekend I was on a snow-covered road with about an 8- to 10-degree grade. Driving at 20 miles per hour, one tire began to slip on the snow and the car came to a stop. The wheels then refused to engage, because one would slip a little, regardless of throttle position," he wrote.

Christopher tells ConsumerAffairs.Com that he "had cable style tire chains and installed them properly on the front wheels and tried again. Still, a tire would slip on the 4 or 5 inches between the cables and the car would refuse to move."

Ultimately, he said, the only way to get the car up the remainder of the hill was to get out and push while his son put a foot gently on the throttle.

His Toyota service manager told Christopher that he was able to duplicate the symptoms on a level snow covered surface and apparently achieved the same results with two other Prius cars that were in the dealership fleet.

But after reporting the problem to Toyota, the service manager told Christopher that the Prius was operating as designed.

Christopher said that he "will consider this vehicle unsafe for road use under any snow or ice conditions and frankly feel that if all Prius vehicles are designed to do this someone ought to look into the situation to try to force Toyota to modify the design."
Not a Safety Problem

Toyota spokesman Bill Kwon agrees that the traction control systems in the Prius could impact performance in snow conditions but says that is not a safety problem.

"Prius has TRAC (traction control) as standard equipment," he said. "The purpose of traction control is to helps prevent wheel spin and minimize slippage of the drive wheels by applying brakes and/or reducing engine power."

Kwon points out that an 8 to 10 degree grade "is a fairly steep grade and combined with snow would cause a loss of traction which will activate the traction control system and therefore reduce or cut power."

"A vehicle without TRAC in those conditions," Kwon adds. "would probably just start spinning in place and eventually spin out of control. In my opinion, it's better to have the vehicle stop then to have the wheels spinning and out of control."
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Re: Prius Shuts Down in the Snow, Reader Complains
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2007, 01:56:23 PM »
My wife's Quest's traction control stop the van completely on really slick ice as well. Have to turn off the traction control and feather the throttle until free.

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Re: Prius Shuts Down in the Snow, Reader Complains
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2007, 02:33:15 PM »
This is why I'm glad I got a car without TCS. My dad's Mini will do the same thing on an icy road unless you switch off DSC.

IMO, it's safer to drive without TCS and risk spinning a wheel than to risk stopping dead in the middle of an intersection.

To go off on another rant, ABS is completely useless in snow.

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Re: Prius Shuts Down in the Snow, Reader Complains
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2007, 03:12:32 PM »
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Re: Prius Shuts Down in the Snow, Reader Complains
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2007, 03:37:23 PM »
I'd say ABS is useful on ice but not in deeper snow. I'd rather have a good set of tires than traction control myself.

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Re: Prius Shuts Down in the Snow, Reader Complains
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2007, 05:15:51 PM »
it's better to have the vehicle stop then to have the wheels spinning and out of control."

That's utter bullshit. I am less than thrilled with the T/C system in my car. If you are pulling out into traffic and there is any sand or slippery material at the edge of the road, the T/C cuts in and the car goes all weak in the knees for a second or two. Not good when there's a Peterbilt bearing down on you at ramming speed.   >:(

The Prius is a technological tour de force, but I would dearly love to have a switch to turn off the T/C or modify it to be less aggressive.  Frankly, the way it is programmed is just ridiculous. While I am very pleased with the car, I find this aspect of its design to pose a potential safety hazard. And to the Toyota guy who made those stupid comments about the wheels spinning out of control, I can only say if I was THAT incompetent as a driver, I should NOT be allowed to drive.  Sheesh, the nanny state can be rather annoying at times.    :(
« Last Edit: February 02, 2007, 05:48:19 AM by MG »
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Re: Prius Shuts Down in the Snow, Reader Complains
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2007, 05:29:04 PM »
I can't see ever buying a car without at least a defeat switch for the traction control. Not to sound cocky, but I trust my own driving ability more than that of a black box.

Hell, when Audi first offered ABS on their cars in the '80s, they even included a defeat switch for that.

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Re: Prius Shuts Down in the Snow, Reader Complains
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2007, 11:43:05 PM »
My '96 Chevy Corsica has rear-wheel ABS, and when it's really cold outside, and at low speeds, the rear end bounces when I hit the brakes.  On snow, it's pretty scary.  It goes away after a couple of stops, but if you don't expect it, it can be a real problem.  And on snow, the ABS is useless.

I also remember an article in Car and Driver about the new Camry and it's traction control actually disabling the throttle for a split second if you chirped the wheels.  And, the unit can't be turned off!  I would NEVER buy such a car.

It's just a matter of time until some poor schmuck in a Prius is t-boned at an intersection in icy or even monsoon conditions because his engine quits because he can't get traction, and evidently can't turn off the traction control.


Why would anybody build such a car?


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Re: Prius Shuts Down in the Snow, Reader Complains
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2007, 05:50:30 AM »
I trust my own driving ability more than that of a black box.

As you should!

I would NEVER buy such a car.

Very soon, you may not have any choice!   :o
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Re: Prius Shuts Down in the Snow, Reader Complains
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2007, 02:03:34 PM »
The T/C on my Lexus ES300 is just as intrusive, and it has also given me a couple of grey hair moments (or greyer anyway) when pulling out into traffic. The one saving grace is the switch on the dash allowing you to turn it off completely. The only downside is that it re-engages each time you start the car. I think they went way overboard when they set up the parameters for it, they need to back it off a scosh..........

Audi even used to provide a switch to turn off the ABS, don't think they do that anymore, but you can turn off the Stability Control......