Topic: Fiat 500 fuoriserie wanted!

[Arunas]

Included?

[75america]

I also bumped on this one.  I do not know which company is responsable for it (perhaps Francis Lombardi?), and I can't find it back in the current edition of your 500 Fuoriserie book.

[als15]

Nice convertion. I'll check if the rear part do match with the Lombardi Utility could be a special version of the same car. Have you a bigger picture?

Included?

Already, but thanks anyway! 

[Paul Jaray]

Barchetta 595 by Simod Design:
http://www.simod.co.uk/barchetta_595.htm

[als15]

Thanks, but it's actually a 126, despite to its name. 

It seems that not so many 500s await still undiscovered...

[Paul Jaray]

Yep, if you don't mind I'll post here all the 500 and 126 derivate I'll found, so they will be ready for your next book!

[als15]

Yep, if you don't mind I'll post here all the 500 and 126 derivate I'll found, so they will be ready for your next book!

I think is a good idea, because the wide part of West-European kit-cars and similar conversions was both made on 500 and 126 and hence I'll include these cars in the both the books.

[jrpola]

Camioncino 500 by Coriasco

[75america]

Nice convertion. I'll check if the rear part do match with the Lombardi Utility could be a special version of the same car. Have you a bigger picture?

No that's all I have.  It is present on page 134 of the book 'Fiat 500' by Jiří Fiala (ISBN 978-80-247-2933-6)

Is the comment from jrpola referring to the picture I posted?

[metalshapes]

Here are some pics from my old 500.

A restoration that got out of hand, that ended op with body modifications, custom paint, etc...

It must still be in the Netherlands somewhere.


Please let me know if you see it...   

[als15]

Is the comment from jrpola referring to the picture I posted?

No, I don't think so: jrpola is a very close friend (the Scoiattolo-guru) and I can imagine which car he is referring to... You will see it in the book. 
Good suggestion, however: I can't miss it!

Here are some pics from my old 500.

A restoration that got out of hand, that ended op with body modifications, custom paint, etc...

It must still be in the Netherlands somewhere.


Please let me know if you see it...

Thanks for your contibution, metalshapes, but sorry: I won't consider it unless it's something contemporary to the 500. I mean: real "fuoriserie" are the ones made during the car production period (1957-1975) or in the very few years later. Modern modifications are just for fun, but we cannot give them a "historical" value...

[DynaMike]

In "Auto Italiana" from 1965 has been an article about a special preparation of a Fiat 500 by Benito Minghelli and Antonio Gorbettini, two mechanics from Parma. They put the engine from a Panhard PL17 in the rear of a standard looking Fiat 500, and thus they were able to reach 180 km/h on the autostrada...
I made a translation of this article for the Dutch Panhard club (#146, April 2004), but I'm afraid the photocopy of the article that I used has got lost...

Have you got any extra information about this conversion, Alessandro?

[Paul Jaray]

This one was quite popular and was featured several times on Quattroruote.(for example on issue #123)

[metalshapes]

Thanks for your contibution, metalshapes, but sorry: I won't consider it unless it's something contemporary to the 500. I mean: real "fuoriserie" are the ones made during the car production period (1957-1975) or in the very few years later. Modern modifications are just for fun, but we cannot give them a "historical" value...

No, I dont think it has historical value either, but that car was ( is... ) near to my heart.

And I thought that maybe one of the Dutch Autopuzzlers might come across it at some point...

[75america]

Weinsberg Fiat

I don't list them because they are "official models", I mean, like a 2300 S Coupé Ghia or a Giulietta Spider Pininfarina.

It's not clear to me if you are interested in the following cars but according to the -apparently highly unreliable- book 'De Fiat 500 & 600' by Jan de Lange, Weinsberg made also the following prototypes with Fiat 500 technique:

- '02' : A boxy cabover model with FWD
- 'Tipo 10': A 3-wheeled vehicle with a Giardiniera engine in the back.  This model was presented in1962 in Frankfurt (...but there was no IAA in Frankfurt that year...)

I have no photografical evidence of these cars.

[als15]

No, we can definitely say that the book is not reliable... 

Those cars were not made by Weinsberg, nor actually by NSU-Fiat itself...
The reality is that in the post-war period Fiat open in Neckarlsum a "Forschungsabteilung": an advanced design and research center, where a lot of interesting prototypes was made in a sort of "friendly competition" with Turin.
Of course, the Forschungsabteilung was located in NSU-Fiat facilities and I can suppose that sometimes exploited Weinsberg (which at that time was participated by Fiat) as a body protoshop. But I've got no evidence that Weinsberg has been involved in these prototypes.

The Type 10 "Pully" (named after ing. Puleo, which was the designer) actually arrived very close to production. Also the brochure was already printed, but at the end of the day somebody was worried about handling and stability of a three-wheeler and the project was deleted just before start of production...

[75america]

No, we can definitely say that the book is not reliable... 

I will never trust that source anymore. 

But we don't give up our search in finding Fiat 500 based cars (from other sources) 

Carrozzeria Fissore presented at the 1965 Turin Motor show the 'Aruanda'.  It was designed by the Brazilian architect Ari de Rocha. 
The Aruanda project was based around a shortened and lowered chassis of a Fiat 500 and used a Fiat 500 familiare engine.

[als15]

The Aruanda project was based around a shortened and lowered chassis of a Fiat 500 and used a Fiat 500 familiare engine.

Nice indeed! 
But, please, can you tell me where have you found that is based on the 500? Quattroruote 12/65 reports that it was just a mock-up without engine. Nevertheless, size and architecture match with the 500 Giardiniera base...
And perhaps have you a higher resolution picture? Quattroruote only shows the back... 

[Arunas]

pictures courtesy of one of our members... 

[75america]

But, please, can you tell me where have you found that is based on the 500?

I found it in the book ‘Carrozzeria Fissore’ by Paolo Fissore (page 87-90). 
But as with my other sources, I do not know if this info is correct.

[75america]

In the same #123 issue of 4R that covers the Panhard powered Fiat 500, there is mentioned a list of entries for the ‘Mostra delle vetture de Competizione” held in Turin from 26/02-6/03/1966 in the Musea dell’Automobile.
In that list, there are present 2 potential Fiat 500 derivates that are not present in your book.

- Giannini 500 F turismo competizione:  This is a car that I also can’t find back in the Giannini book by Enzo Altorio.  Or is this the same car as the 500 TV (S) / 590 GT (S)?
- C.A.S.E.A. 875 Monza:  I don’t know if there is any Fiat relation, but for me that counts also for the Marsengo 875 Torino prototipo which is included in your list.

About the names Giannini used.
I suppose 'TV' stands for Turismo Veloce, 'GT' for Gran Turismo, 'GP' for Gran Prix, 'S' for Sport, 'L' for Lusso, 'R' for Rally and 'EC' for Economica. 
But where are 'MT' and 'NP' standing for?

[als15]

- Giannini 500 F turismo competizione:  This is a car that I also can’t find back in the Giannini book by Enzo Altorio.  Or is this the same car as the 500 TV (S) / 590 GT (S)?

I will double check, but "Turismo Competizione" is usually an Abarth name. I think the journalist did a little mistake and it was actually a Ginnini 500 TV.

- C.A.S.E.A. 875 Monza:  I don’t know if there is any Fiat relation, but for me that counts also for the Marsengo 875 Torino prototipo which is included in your list.

For sure it had the 500 Giardiniera engine, which was mandatory for the Formula 875 Monza. Unfortunately, it is part of those cars of which I only have a single name, or a single picture... not enough to tell a story on a book. Perhaps I'll include them anyway, but the risk is to list something wrong or not verified enough...

About the names Giannini used.
I suppose 'TV' stands for Turismo Veloce, 'GT' for Gran Turismo, 'GP' for Gran Prix, 'S' for Sport, 'L' for Lusso, 'R' for Rally and 'EC' for Economica. 
But where are 'MT' and 'NP' standing for?

'R' is just "Rinnovata" (Renewed) as the standard 1972 Fiat 500 version; 'EC' I've nerver seen while 'ER' is "Economy Run" and was used for the 350 cc reduced displacement version which was supposed to have a minor fuel consumption. 'MT' means "Monoalbero in Testa" (single on-head camshaft) and was for an experimental 1000 engine. 'NP' is actually less techical and was for "New Production", used when avv. Polverelli took over the firm by the Giannini family.

[75america]

About the names Giannini used.
I suppose 'TV' stands for Turismo Veloce, 'GT' for Gran Turismo, 'GP' for Gran Prix, 'S' for Sport, 'L' for Lusso, 'R' for Rally and 'EC' for Economica. 
But where are 'MT' and 'NP' standing for?

'R' is just "Rinnovata" (Renewed) as the standard 1972 Fiat 500 version; 'EC' I've nerver seen while 'ER' is "Economy Run" and was used for the 350 cc reduced displacement version which was supposed to have a minor fuel consumption. 'MT' means "Monoalbero in Testa" (single on-head camshaft) and was for an experimental 1000 engine. 'NP' is actually less techical and was for "New Production", used when avv. Polverelli took over the firm by the Giannini family.

Thank you very much for these 'translations'
About the EC / ER.  I think that we are talking about the same car.  The following picture was taken on the 1974 Turin motor show: 

[als15]

Indeed! And your picture adds another little tile to the huge "fuoriserie puzzle". Thanks! 

[75america]

What about this one?
Found in 4R # 162 (06/1969 p92-93)