Topic: Fiat 124 & 125 wanted!

[Allemano]

I guess that the Polski Fiat 1100 coupé and Ogar are official projects, but what about these 2:

Wow! A great Ford Capri! 

[als15]

This two are pretty interesting! And never seen in Fiat/FSO official literature. Any further info about?

[75america]

This two are pretty interesting! And never seen in Fiat/FSO official literature. Any further info about?

PM sent. (but more info still needed)

[faksta]

Found three more names from Formula Easter.

One is quite an obscure - Gedeminas Neverauskas from Soviet Union has raced his privately built car (not sure he was a designer) with Lada 21011 engine in 1979.

The others are more interesting. Romanian team has entered the 1986 and 1988 races on cars called GT-86 and GT-88. There are pictures of them in the web, but they all look quite different... Also, despite my source for the results lists them as 21011 powered cars, there are mentions of that they could have been powered by Dacia engines.

Finally, Andras Gergely from Hungary has raced the car called Vasert G01 in 1988. Pictures also exist in the Internet.

[faksta]

Here is the Hungarian Vasert G01.

[faksta]

Also, Zoltan Stiller from Hungary has raced a car called RAF-s. Obviously, a relative of the Czechoslovak RAF, but I can't recall the 'S' model. I suppose, it is a modified car, and S could stand for Stiller. The only picture I know of this car is the shot of a driver in a cockpit...


P.S. I have sent you a PM about one more Hungarian car - Srof, but then found out that you have already listed it 

[faksta]

Are you interested in all-terrain vehicles? There is a number of them, coming from Russia and Ukraine at least. Like this one - Ukrainian Litvina.

[faksta]

And what about Lada Niva? Its engine was an evolution of VAZ 2106, which was an evolution of 2103. It widens a range, as there have been some Niva versions made in France by Poch, in Czechoslovakia and even in Canada, which had no analogs on Russian market. Do you plan to go this deep or will you include the RWD cars, which were the most similar ones to the 124?

[Allemano]

Already the Turkish Murat 124 mentioned?

[als15]

Are you interested in all-terrain vehicles? There is a number of them, coming from Russia and Ukraine at least. Like this one - Ukrainian Litvina.

Theoretically yes, at least if they maintain a significant part of the original Lada (like the second picture).

And what about Lada Niva?

Not Niva: it's basically a different project than the 2101/2103 and not so much Fiat-related.

Already the Turkish Murat 124 mentioned?

As a base model yes, but in these book I only include third-part conversions (not standard Fiat-licensed models). If any Turkish conversion comes up, it's really welcome because I never found one...

[faksta]

Some guys from Turkish institute (Zonguldak Mesleki Egitim Merkizi) have made the 124 conversion...

Bursa'yı sallayan 'Cabrio Murat'ı geçtiğimiz haftalarda tanıtmıştık. Bu kez Zonguldak Mesleki Eğitim Merkezi'nin öğrencileri, 'Hacı' Murat 124'ten yeni bir araba yaptılar...

I would better not translate this on my own, as I may do it wrong...

P.S. OK, Niva is excluded. As for the off roaders, this is probably the only one I've seen which has some 124 traits from the outside.

[Allemano]

I have a large period colour pic of the Poccardi Coupé – you too?

[faksta]

Cheers from Poland:

Since 1971 Poland had its own formula - Formula Polonia for cars based on Fiat 125p mechanicals.
I suppose (only suppose, as I have a tiny piece of information about this serie) that most cars were the same chassis as Polish F.Easter bolides, but some cars were surely built for this formula. If I get it right, there was a car called Kaczorka ('Little Duck'?) with some pictures of it in the web and still existing. Also, Wieslaw Mikolajczyk has driven an unknown car, which I have never seen anywhere else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLK8b_giz0g - and this one seems to be built recently by three students as a diploma project on some abandoned Formula Polonia car mechanicals (I have just made parallels with Russian and English languages when I listened to this story, so I may be competely wrong).

[faksta]

And apparently there was a Dutton related project in Poland... Again I can't understand everything that is written here...

And wasn't there an FSR Tarpan version with 125p engine - F233?

[als15]

Formula Polonia is a black-hole for me... I'm trying to dig a little, but my understanding of Polish is quite unexsisting. I'll try with Google translator and ask help to some Polish friends...

I've also found these features like the one about Dutton. I'm going to OCR and Google them. 

[faksta]

OK. Is Fiat 125 Vignale Samantha already featured?

[als15]

OK. Is Fiat 125 Vignale Samantha already featured?

Yes, this is easy... 

[faksta]

well, you never know 

[faksta]

NAMI 0290 Apelsin (rally car) - based on ZAZ mechanicals, but equipped with VAZ 2106 1600cc engine. Year 1988.
Apal Stalker (the soft top off roader) - based on Zhiguli chassis, but equipped with a VAZ 341 diesel. Qute recent car, from 2000s.
You have already mentioned VIS (Vazinterservis).

[faksta]

Also, if we speak about other non-racing conversions based on Zhiguli, you may add Eleks Polus (Элекс Полюс) (lenghtened 2104 and probably 2105 for taxi service and Eleks retro styled roadster based on 2106).

[faksta]

Oh, almost forgot this 

[als15]

Also, if we speak about other non-racing conversions based on Zhiguli, you may add Eleks Polus (Элекс Полюс) (lenghtened 2104 and probably 2105 for taxi service and Eleks retro styled roadster based on 2106).

Googling that name comes up a taxi service company. Is it also the maker of the cars? And have you any further info and picture?

 

[faksta]

Ah, yes. I think they are mostly dealing with selling cars and working as taxi service.

The red car is Eleks. It is a symbol of the company and was made in a single example as an advertising car. I have just found out that they have actually ordered it to Cardi (probably you could have heard about them before).

the lenghtened versions were made on VAZ on their behalf as well - I have dug out a little note about them.

So, probably Eleks Polus should better be excluded, as they were just customers for Cardi and VAZ. 

[als15]

So the lenghtened version are "official" factory-made VAZ models and not conversions...
But I don't know actually Cardi... unless it is the Italian truck converter.  Ok... found on Google.

[faksta]

Apart from VIS, Zhiguli based cargo cars were made at Izh and called Izh 27175. They were a mix of their previous model - Izh 2717 and VAZ 2104. It was presented in *cough*2006*cough*.

Cardi is a Moscow company which made a number of quite good looking prototypes. I'll look whether they've had something Zhiguli based.