Topic: Fiat 124 & 125 wanted!

[als15]

A book is published and the first copies are on their way to the post office...
(http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=11001.75
...so the first thing to do is starting another one! 

And once again I'm here to ask you help in finding more and more stange, odd, unusual car to include.
This time, we will talk about Fiat 124 (all version: saloon, estate, coupe and spider) and Fiat 125.
But the great point is that this time the book will be really international, as it will include also the derivatives of the 124 and 125 made wordlwide under Fiat license: Lada 1200, 1300 & 1500, Seat 124 & 1430, Fiat-Concord 125 & 1600, Premier 118, Murat 124, Polski-Fiat 125P...

As usual, the 3 best contributions will be awarded with a free copy.

I know your archives are so big and I look forward great news.

[Arunas]

What is the time range for cars? 

[als15]

This is a hard point. I usually consider period coachbuildings (and not odd conversions on classic-cars) everithing made within about 10 years after end-of-production. I.e. for the Fiat 500 within 1985.
I know this time some licensed model is still in production (Lada somewhere in southern ex-URSS). So I should include them all.
Just to save space for the most interesting ones, I would only exclude home-made tuning cars made today in Russia, which I know are very common on old Ladas. But professional conversions are really welcome.

[75america]

@ als15,

Can you give us an overview of everything you already have?  That will make live easier for us.

Let's start with some Pedro Serra bodied cars:

Seat 1430 Berlina
Seat 1430 Cabriolet
Seat 124 Sport 1600 Cabriolet
Seat 1430 Fastback
Seat 124 Sport Coupé 1800

[Arunas]

How about this one?

I think it was some derivative of Polski Fiat 125P:

<<< link removed >>>

[als15]

Can you give us an overview of everything you already have?  That will make live easier for us.

I was going to do that!

Let's start with models known and well documented:

Italy

Coachbuildings
Bertone - 125 Executive
Eurostyle - 125 coupé 1968
Francis Lombardi - 124 Smart
Michelotti - 125 coupé 1969 & 1970
Moretti - 124 coupé, 125 coupé GS 1.6, 125 coupé with 128 body, 125 S coupé
Pininfarina - 124 spider, 124 coupé, Spidereuropa
Poccardi - 124 Shopping, 125 Shopping, 124 coupé
Savio - 124 coupé (1968, only: older pictures missed!!!), 125 coupé, 124 giardinetta
Scioneri - 124 coupé, 125 coupé
Touring - 124 cabriolet
Vignale - 124 Eveline, 125 Samantha
Zagato - 125 GTZ coupé

Offroads
CMG
OSI - 124 Cross-country

Utility cars
Boneschi - 124 & 125 ambulance
Fissore - 125 station-wagon, ambulance and hearse
Grazia - 125 ambulance
OSI - 125 Estate-car
Savio - 124 Savana

Tunings
Giannini - 124 saloon
Radbourne - 124 saloon Abarth
Scotti - 124 & 124 Spider

Single-seater
Abarth - Formula Italia

Others
FNM - 124 Diesel
Italmolle - 124 engine with rotary timing


Germany

Wochner - tuning kits


Spain

Sportscar
Artés - El Campeador
Serra - 124 Sport Cabriolet
Talleres Hispano Aleman - Castilla

Tunings
Ddauto - 124, 1430, 1600 Rally, 1800 Rally, 1800 Formula
de Cos - Alpine A110 with Seat 1430 engine
Hispakart - 1430
Juncosa - 124 & 1430
Manso - Alpine A110 with Seat 1430 engine
Movi - 1430
Scratch - 124 ,1430 & Alpine A110 with Seat 1430 engine

Others
Autotécnica - Artefcato & Chitty
de Cos - barchetta “Adidas”
Iresa - barchetta under Torralba license
Naia - barchetta with Seat 1430 engine
Speedwell-Noguera - tubular barchetta with Seat 1430 engine


India
PCB - spyder and coupe-cabriolet on 118NE base


United States

Archer - kit-car with 124 Spider body
John Rich - tuning kits
Serra - tuning kits

[Arunas]

How about this one?

1973 Fiat ESV 2500 - safety vehicle based on Fiat 124, as far as I know.

[als15]

Second, a list of models I know exist, but of whom any further info or picture is welcome.

Italy

Single-seater (Formula 3)
ASA
Dagrada
De Sanctis
Faccioli
Foglietti
Lucangeli
Wainer


Spain

Coachbuildings
Autotecnica - Cordoban
Serra - Seat 1430 sedan, 1430 cabriolet, 124 spider (based on Seat sedan), 124 Sport Coupé 1800 & 1430 fastback

Single-seater (Formula 1430 e Formula Seat 1800)
Adeserías - Europa
Barrabás
Cordobán
Etco
Falciot
Forpe
Hispakart
Javier
Juncosa
Kezka
Lince
LMR
Macoy
Martini - Mk12
Me-Pre
Novauto - AF001
Ro-An
Seléx - ST3, ST4, ST5, ST6

Others
AR - MG TD replica
Gerion - Bugatti 35 replica
Mallorca - Lotus replica
Stromberg - Furia (old-style replica)


Belgium
Martare sportscar with 125 engine

Czechoslovakia

Single-seater
Agro
Arcus
Avia
Delta
KDV
Metalex
Pauer
RAF


Estonia

Kit-Grupp Rex Lada-based kit-cars


DDR

Single-seater
HTS
Küther
Kuhn
Melkus
SEG
SRG


Hungary

Single-seater
Ikarus
Kovács
SROF

Others
Arsenal - Lada-based kit-car


Poland

Single-seater
JJ
Promot
RAK


Romania

Single-seater
LGM


Soviet-Union

utility
VIS - Lada 2345-10, 2345-12, 23452

Single-seater
BPS-Estonia
Estonia
Tallept-Estonia
VMGI


Argentina

Sportscar
BGS Lotus replica
GPA old-style roadster
Vidal coupé

[als15]

I think there is a lot still to discover, especially out of Italy...

[Arunas]

Pictures of AR - MG TD replica from Spain,

Martare GT from Belgium

A period picture of Metalex that I've found in a magazine some time ago. Sorry for poor quality. If needed, I'll try to make a scan tomorrow.

A new sports automobile Metalex-203 with a new engine (in 1977 it had a forced up to 125 hp engine of VAZ 21011).

[Arunas]

Established in 1982, at the end of 1999 the company {RAK} built their first pseudo-cross-country vehicle, the Kros, based on Fiat 126 components

[Paul Jaray]

Wow...i did'n see it coming!
F.lli Antonucci Trieste, in 1972 built a prototype for Rally, Colotti gear, Fiat 125 or 132 engine. More on Milleruote Vol.1 pag.253
Boschi Seven MKIII from Argentina. More on Mike Lawrence "A to Z of Sports cars"

[faksta]

Hi!

I have a number of derivatives which I will need to compile.

At the moment, I'd like to note that Martini single seaters were French, not Spanish, as far as I know, while VMGI was a Bulgarian formula, not Soviet.

[als15]

Thanks, thanks, thanks!

The Metalex is wonderful. I only knew the single-seater, while it seems they did also this nice sportscar and rally Ladas.

For Paul Jaray: unfortunately I don't have Milleruote... Can you scan for me the page?

[Paul Jaray]

There is another argentinian car...can't open the site anymore, but was caled "Rocha Vintage"...I'll try to find it back.
About Antonucci, on Milleruote there are just 9 lines, plus a pic of the Ford-engined Formula3.
Here's the text:
"ANTONUCCI (F.lli) - Officina Triestina specializzata nella trasformazione di vetture di serie, in particolare Fiat e Lancia. Nel 1959 costruisce alcune monoposto di formula Junior e in seguito di formula 3. Nel 1972 progetta un prototipo da Rally che puo essere equipaggiato con motori Fiat 125 o 132 e con cambio Colotti. L'indirizzo dell'officina Antonucci è: via Villan De Bacchino 2, Trieste."

[Arunas]

There is another argentinian car...can't open the site anymore, but was caled "Rocha Vintage"...I'll try to find it back.

Found something:

JUAN ROCHA - MIGUEL DELLEPIANE

Rocha Vintage



Comienzo Fabricación: 1983
Término de Fabricación: 1986
Origen: Argentina
Denominación Original: Maserati Monofaro
Carrocería: Roadster plástico sobre bastidor
Puertas: 2
Motor: Fiat 115 C 2038/20 (Fiat 125)
Ciclo: 4 tiempos, doble árbol de levas a la cabeza, válv a la cabeza
Ubicación: Delantero Longitudinal
Cilindrada (cm3): 1.498
Número de Cilindros: 4
Diám x Carr (mm): 86,1 x 64,3
Relación de Compresión: 8,5:1
Potencia (CV): 91 (SAE)
Régimen (r.p.m): 5.600
Par Motor (mKg): 13,5
Régimen (r.p.m): 2.800
Combustible: Nafta súper
Sistema de Combustible: 2 Carburadores Stronberg 150 CDS
Velocidades: 4
Tracción: Trasera
Refrigeración: Agua (8,5 litros)
Combustible: Nafta súper
Velocidades: 4
Relación Final: 4.1 : 1
Capacidad Combustible (litros): 45
Peso Vacio (Kg): 650
Largo (mm):
Ancho (mm):
Alto (mm):
Distancia entre Ejes (mm): 2.400
Trocha Delantera (mm): 1.040
Trocha Trasera (mm): 1.040
Frenos (Delanteros / Traseros): Discos - Tambor
Dirección: Piñón y cremallera
Suspensión Delantera: Independiente, paralelogramo deformable
Suspensión Trasera: eje rígido
Neumáticos:
Generador Eléctrico: Alternador 12V 40A
Detalle: Vehículo de producción especial
CANTIDAD: 22 Unidades

[75america]

Unfortunately, my scanner isn’t working anymore, therefore, no pictures at the moment but I can scan whatever you request at my work.

Some cars that are not present in your lists

- 1972 Fiat 4 seat coupé by Bertone on 1967 Fiat 124 S mechanics
- Isn’t the OSI Cross country based on Fiat 124 and the estate on 125?
- 1967 Fiat 125 ‘Fastback coupé’ by Savio
- Scioneri 124 coupé => there are 2 versions 1966 double front lights and 1967 single front lights 
- 1967 Fiat 124 elaborazione scioneri
- 1970 Speedway
- Moretti: there were at least 3 different versions of the 124 ‘Sportiva’ (single front light, double front light, square rear lights)
- Radbourne Abarth: Abarth-Simca bodyshell, Simca 1000 chassis, modified Abarth suspension and Fiat 124 engines.  12 cars were made.

[als15]

- 1972 Fiat 4 seat coupé by Bertone on 1967 Fiat 124 S mechanics

Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't know it...

- Isn’t the OSI Cross country based on Fiat 124 and the estate on 125?

Right: I corrected it.

- 1967 Fiat 125 ‘Fastback coupé’ by Savio

Only a bad picture... a new one is welcome.

- 1967 Fiat 124 elaborazione scioneri
- 1970 Speedway

Never seen! 

[João]

Do you have this one?

[als15]

Only in black&white. Thanks!

[Allemano]

There were two Fiat 125 based Eurostyle cars, weren't they?

Recently I've found this nice pic of the Savio 125 Station Wagon:

[Allemano]

Do you have this one?

[als15]

Recently I've found this nice pic of the Savio 125 Station Wagon:

Right: I forgot them while making the first draft list. 

[Paul Jaray]

In Ruoteclassiche N.68 (December 1993) there is a 8-page article about 125-coachbuilt cars with big, colour pics:

Moretti 125 Special Serie 2
Osi 125 Estate
Fissore 125 Giardinetta (BW)
Savio 125 Sport Wagon (BW front+rear view)
Poccardi 125 Sport wagon Frua (BW)
Scioneri 125 Berlina 2 porte (BW)
Bertone 125 Executive (BW)
Michelotti 125 Coupe
Eurostyle 125 Berlina (BW)
Eurostyle 125 Coupe (BW)
Vignale 125 Samantha
Moretti 125 Coupe
Zagato 125 GT Z

[75america]

- 1972 Fiat 4 seat coupé by Bertone on 1967 Fiat 124 S mechanics

Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't know it...

- Isn’t the OSI Cross country based on Fiat 124 and the estate on 125?

Right: I corrected it.

- 1967 Fiat 125 ‘Fastback coupé’ by Savio

Only a bad picture... a new one is welcome.

- 1967 Fiat 124 elaborazione scioneri
- 1970 Speedway

Never seen! 

The Bertone can be found on page 140 of 'Bertone 90 Years 1912> 2002 Forma e progetto.  Il Catalogo

I will scan the 124 elaborazione Scioneri tomorrow, but I only have a very bad quality pic.

A drawing of the Speedway can be found on page 79 of QR 174