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37 Years Ago Today
« on: January 27, 2010, 06:03:36 PM »
Can someone post a poem here? Yes?  Good.

37 years ago today, I was in Saigon. January 27, 1973 was designated at X Day, the first day the peace agreement between the US and the North Vietnamese was signed and the countdown for withdrawing US troops began. Every unit was assigned a target day for leaving the country. My unit was supposed to go on X+25. It was a very emotional day for me. It meant I would survive the great Vietnam fandango, something I had been focusing my life around for more than 12 years at that point.

At dawn, as I looked out the window and saw the huge Canadian flag draped on the side of the building next to mine, I was moved to write down what my feelings were.  This is the result:

X Day

V ictory peals it knell across this peasant country like the edge of darkness advancing.
I n each heart, our nation's greatest gift has shattered the haven where dwelt the last vestiges of hope.
E verywhere, there are the fragile, laughing children whose eyes reveal the lingering flick of ageless suffering.
T o the South, we bequeath the good and just fight; we trust they have the wherewithal to cope.
N orth inherits the bounty of all our former fallen foes, the vanquished who rise from the ashes of defeat.
A nd to them both we leave the ability to recreate once again the patterns of destruction.
M other and child, an image of their country - hardened, inured, stoic, scarred of mind - frantically await the agony of peace.


Stephen C. Hanley, 1Lt, SC
39th Signal Battalion
Saigon, RVN

January 27, 1973.


Oddly enough, I had never written a poem prior to that day. And I have not written one since. 
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Re: 37 Years Ago Today
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2010, 06:41:43 PM »
You wrote well. Thank you for sharing this.
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Re: 37 Years Ago Today
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2010, 04:09:51 AM »
Well indeed. Thank you MG.
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Re: 37 Years Ago Today
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2010, 06:51:01 AM »
I share this only because more than half of the Americans alive today have no memory of Vietnam or the way the entire process tortured and entire generation, whether they served or not.

What saddens me most is that while I was over there doing my patriotic chore, Dick Cheney and George Bush and an entire coterie of their friends were comfortably ensconced stateside plotting their nefarious deeds. My life would have been entirely different had it not been for 'Nam in a thousand different ways.

Sadly, our country learned nothing from the experience. That fact is like a dagger in my heart.
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Re: 37 Years Ago Today
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2010, 06:56:06 AM »
The lessons of history must constantly be taught lest they be forgotten. What you do and what you have done here is to help teach them. Grazie.
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Re: 37 Years Ago Today
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2010, 08:35:13 AM »
Prego.

But I am preaching to the choir here. When my wife mentions Vietnam to her high school students, they look mystified and tell her they haven't gotten that far in History class yet.    :(  America seems incapable of learning ANYTHING from its history.    ::)
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Re: 37 Years Ago Today
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2010, 08:40:43 AM »
There are people reading this who are not members of the choir.
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Re: 37 Years Ago Today
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2010, 12:26:48 PM »
Well, give them a song book then!   :hah:
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Re: 37 Years Ago Today
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2010, 11:57:59 AM »
ISadly, our country learned nothing from the experience. That fact is like a dagger in my heart.

"The only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history".  Wasn't it Henry Ford who said that?
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Re: 37 Years Ago Today
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2010, 12:30:40 PM »
I saw a lot of shootages and movies about Vietnam and I can barely image what it's like.
I've been in Afghanistan for 7 months and compared to what I thought it may have been there I was in a spa!

I do not know if you had contact with local people...I did and I know the enemy is pictured like a bloody monster, but when you see their families, their children...your visual may change.

War is an easy answer.
There are not such easy answers to such complex problems.

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Re: 37 Years Ago Today
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2010, 02:09:15 PM »
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Wasn't it Henry Ford who said that?

I dunno, but whoever it was was pretty smart!    8)

Paul, what the heck were you doing in Afghanistan for 7 months?   ???

When I was in Vietnam, I made an effort to learn a little of the language and culture of the country, something that none of my peers bothered to do. I had an apartment in Saigon for a while and saw some things out my window that were amazing and disturbing at the same time.

I made it a point to learn a little about the history of the country while I was there and after I returned. What I found out shocked me.

In brief, the country had been conquered more times than Ireland. Like many Asian people in that area of the world, they had been mauled by the Chinese, the Japanese, the Siamese and everyone but the Dalai Lama for thousands of years. Prior to WW II, they were a French colony, primarily because of the latex that Michelin extracted from their plantations there. Like all peoples who live under colonial rule, the locals chafed at the French hegemony over their country. Among the upper classes, every child with an IQ of 70 or higher was sent to Paris for their education. The parts of Saigon that I saw that had not been destroyed were very European in architecture. Indeed. Saigon was often referred to as The Paris of the Orient.

Anyhoo, after WW II, Truman told the Allies to forget about reclaiming their overseas colonies. It was official American policy to forbid recolonization. Ho Chi Minh was a fervent nationalist who prayed that the French would not return, so that his country could go forward without colonial masters. But.....a funny thing happened on the way to the Forum, as they say. The world descended into the so-called Cold War era. America has always been Euro-centric and fairly racist when it comes to its view of Asians. Under Eisenhower, the idea of NATO was born, but Charles DeGaulle was having none of it. In his mind, France had won the war (sort of) and France would now be the leader in Europe, not the upstart and not too bright Americans. An impasse occurred because without France, NATO was dead on arrival. Without NATO, there was no force to counter Russian influence in Eastern Europe.

And so, Eisenhower caved to French pressure and the French were the only country allowed to reclaim their colony in Vietnam. The rest, as they say, is history.

But there is a side note. While all this was going on, Ho Chi Minh contacted US authorities to make his case for an independent country. The bureaucracy in the State Department vetted him and learned to their horror that Ho had been a member of the Communist Party while at university in Paris in the 20's.   :o  Well, duh.  EVERYONE in Paris in the 20's was a member of the Communist Party!   :doh: Including Ernest Hemingway and F. Scott FitzGerald and all the other ex-pats living there. Paris was SEETHING with Communist sympathies at that time.

But with the anti-communist feeliing gripping the US, Ho's goose was cooked and America turned a deaf ear to his plea. At the time (early 50's), there were three people in America who were conversant with the language and culture of Vietnam. None was consulted.

My old high school history teacher always said "The gates of history turn on tiny hinges." And then she would tell us the story about how the chauffeur for Arch Duke Ferdinand got lost in Sarajevo one day, which meant that they literally bumped into his assassin, who was late and hurrying to get to where Ferdinand was SUPPOSED to be!   ::)

I think history is fascinating, primarily because it so often reveals human nature in all its stupidity, treachery and cupidity.

We could learn a lot from history. If only we wanted to......... ;)
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Re: 37 Years Ago Today
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2010, 03:24:07 AM »
I've been there trying to disciplinate the air traffic in what is left of Herat's Airport. I'm an air traffic controller and that base is under the command of the allied forces.

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I think history is fascinating, primarily because it so often reveals human nature in all its stupidity, treachery and cupidity.
We could learn a lot from history. If only we wanted to.........
These sentences says it all.