Author Topic: 1954 Turin Motor Show (ex MPC#045) (Read 43535 times)

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #275 on:** March 28, 2014, 02:46:10 AM »

Quote from: Iluvatar on March 27, 2014, 06:35:22 PM

Quote from: Iluvatar on March 27, 2014, 06:34:35 PM
... there's a problem... one of the two Pegaso was already identified as #21...the light one...
What should I do now?

Where is the problem? I found the car next to Joao's one and next to the ones I found previously, right?

Quote from: João on March 27, 2014, 10:47:45 PM

Just to shed some light on it..

According to Spanish sources, chassis #0154, Berlineta Touring ( the light one ) was there. "Vehículo expuesto anteriormente en el Salón de Turín en 4.1954" First owner : Fancisco Godia Sales. Color : blue with blue interior, not a metallic color.

Chassis #0155 : According to the same source : Berlineta ENASA; so ...not a Touring body.
Chassis #0150 : Berlineta Touring, Concorso d´Eleganza San Remo, april 1954. (probably the other car) First owner : José María Caralt. Color : silver with blue interior.

I took it from granted that you ID the dark one. I looked for a light Touring that could be the one next to it. According to a well documented source:
#0150 was in Italy in that period, as Joao wrote. The colour was silver and here's a pic (from 1955).
#0154, the one already ID is not the light one. Here's a pic.
#0155. According to the same source was on display in Turin, but the color doesn't match: "inicialmente de color rojo-blanco, y posteriormente de color beige"

Wendax · « **Reply #276 on:** March 28, 2014, 03:09:06 AM »

Quote from: Iluvatar on March 27, 2014, 06:35:22 PM

Quote from: Iluvatar on March 27, 2014, 06:34:35 PM
... there's a problem... one of the two Pegaso was already identified as #21...the light one...
What should I do now?

Just forget my post. I don't want to start any quarrel.

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #277 on:** March 28, 2014, 06:44:28 AM »

I can't see the problem... I knew there was already a Pegaso, the dark one (as you can see from Joao's pic)...in my pic there are two: Joao's and a new one. Wendax, you probably forgot Joao's guess but if there were no Pegaso already solved, in my picture you would have seen just one of them

(I would have kept the other for a future point!).
Please tell me if I'm still missing something...(this period it may well be

...)

Wendax · « **Reply #278 on:** March 28, 2014, 06:49:45 AM »

Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 28, 2014, 06:44:28 AM

Wendax, you probably forgot Joao's guess

Exactly

Iluvatar · « **Reply #279 on:** March 28, 2014, 08:14:47 AM »

Ok... no problem at all.. Paul Jaray has identified the second Pegaso...

In fact the picture where Joao had found the first Pegaso (Reply 78 on page 4) showed the dark car, and not the light one... so I misplaced car #21...
I'll correct the map...

Now the puzzle is closed for Paul Jaray, who identified the last car...

Iluvatar · « **Reply #280 on:** March 28, 2014, 08:28:54 AM »

Updated map...
thanks PJ per the great picture!!

Wendax · « **Reply #281 on:** March 28, 2014, 08:55:18 AM »

Previously probably identified, but not mentioned, we have another Lancia Appia between #13 and #51 :

Iluvatar · « **Reply #282 on:** March 28, 2014, 09:07:03 AM »

Quote from: Wendax on March 28, 2014, 08:55:18 AM

Previously probably identified, but not mentioned, we have another Lancia Appia between #13 and #51 :

No, this one was not identified before...

Appia is correct!

Ehhxekt · « **Reply #283 on:** March 29, 2014, 01:20:14 PM »

Among the 1954 Le Mans entries there was a small, featherweight Nardi sports racer, fitted with a streamlined barchetta body by Motto and a 750cc Crosley engine. This car is reported to have been on display at the Turin show before; although not visible in the picture, it must have been there somewhere, close to the #54 Moretti.

Iluvatar · « **Reply #284 on:** March 29, 2014, 03:09:47 PM »

Quote from: Ehhxekt on March 29, 2014, 01:20:14 PM

Among the 1954 Le Mans entries there was a small, featherweight Nardi sports racer, fitted with a streamlined barchetta body by Motto and a 750cc Crosley engine. This car is reported to have been on display at the Turin show before; although not visible in the picture, it must have been there somewhere, close to the #54 Moretti.

Yes, the car is just beside Moretti #54.

SACO · « **Reply #285 on:** March 30, 2014, 05:21:15 AM »

A Fiat 1100 Berlinetta by Vignale near the #8 Ghia Chrysler ?

Wendax · « **Reply #286 on:** March 30, 2014, 05:21:58 AM »

Next to the Giaur 750 should be a Moretti 750 Alger Le Cap Berlina:

SACO · « **Reply #287 on:** March 30, 2014, 07:24:45 AM »

And a Fiat 1400/1900 coupé spécial by Vignale?

Wendax · « **Reply #288 on:** March 30, 2014, 08:36:16 AM »

And another Moretti 750 Alger Le Cap:

SACO · « **Reply #289 on:** March 30, 2014, 09:06:23 AM »

And perhaps another Fiat 1400/1900 coupé spécial by Vignale ?

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #290 on:** March 30, 2014, 09:12:46 AM »

Hey, shouldn't you wait for Iluvatar's OK before proceeding? I had those Vignale ready too...

SACO · « **Reply #291 on:** March 30, 2014, 10:18:43 AM »

Sorry !

Iluvatar · « **Reply #292 on:** March 31, 2014, 05:32:43 AM »

Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 30, 2014, 09:12:46 AM

Hey, shouldn't you wait for Iluvatar's OK before proceeding? I had those Vignale ready too...

Don't worry PJ...

SACO lost one point for guessing a car which is not near to an already identified car... because it's not #8 Ghia Chrysler...
So also the next guesses from SACO cannot be considered...

Quote from: Wendax on March 30, 2014, 05:21:58 AM

Next to the Giaur 750 should be a Moretti 750 Alger Le Cap Berlina:

This is correct...

Quote from: Wendax on March 30, 2014, 08:36:16 AM

And another Moretti 750 Alger Le Cap:

But as I don't consider SACO's posts you are not allowed to have another guess... so I don't consider this one too...

Note that your guess are not wrong... so you have given a big help to other puzzler... maybe next time you'll wait my reply...