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1954 Turin Motor Show (ex MPC#045)
« on: January 22, 2014, 08:41:34 AM »
Hi folk!

Let's start a very huge puzzle...
Please read carefully the following instruction!

You see a picture of a car at a motor show... it looks to be a repost, and indeed it is, but... it's only the first of a lot of cars...

At first, identify the car (easy) and the place and the year... this is maybe the easiest point of the puzzle...

When the first car is found you can start to guess about the cars near to the previous one (in that motor show). "Near" means in front, beside, behind, etc... in short: there shouldn't be other cars between the former and the new car you try to identify (and they shouldn't be too far)...

When you correctly identify you can go ahead with a new car, but near to one of the cars you have found.
You'll recieve +1 points for every correct and complete guess.

You can also try to guess a car near to a car found by someone else... but in this case you'll recieve -1 points if the guess is wrong!
This last rule does not apply if there are no free cars near to the cars you have previously identified.

You cannot have guess at cars far from any identified car.

Two very important rules!
- One car for one post, no multiple guesses!!
- When you identify a car you have to wait until someone else find another car before posting your next guess.
If you don't follow these two rules, the first time you'll recieve -1 points, and the second you are out of this puzzle! ...so... please... follow these rules!!
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Two other less important rules
- You have to prove your guess, because I'm not aware of all the car of this motor show... ;)
- I set a temporary limit of 20 cars identified by a single person, to leave the puzzle open to more people... when you identify your 20th car please stop guessing! In the future I'll decide if this limit should be removed...

Points will be added at the end of the puzzle. I won't remove points... if you have a negative score you'll recieve 0 points...

I hope you will enjoy this puzzle... please let me know if the rules are not clear...

Good luck! :)
« Last Edit: February 02, 2014, 12:58:02 PM by Iluvatar »
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Re: MPC#045 (2)
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2014, 08:42:12 AM »
A place for the points...

CARS
1 - Monviso Fiat 1100 "Stella Filante" - kwgibbs
2 - Ghia Fiat 1900A cabriolet - mekubb
3 - Monviso Fiat 1100 cabriolet - Wendax
4 - Ghia Fiat 8V "Supersonic" - Joćo
5 - Monviso Fiat 1100 coupé - targhediferro
6 - Ghia Abarth-Alfa Romeo 2000 - Joćo
7 - Ghia De Soto "Adventurer" - Wendax
8 - Ghia Chrysler Special - Joćo
9 - Fiat 1900A - targhediferro
10 - Fiat 1900A GranLuce - Ehhxekt
11 - Lancia Aurelia B12 - targhediferro
12 - Pinin Farina Bentley R-Type Continental - Joćo
13 - Lancia Appia - targhediferro
14 - Ghia Fiat 1100 coupé - Joćo
15 - Lancia Aurelia B20 GT - targhediferro
16 - Fiat 1100 Familiare - Joćo
17 - Fiat 1100/103 TV - targhediferro
18 - Fiat Turbina - Joćo
19 - Ghia-Serie Speciali Fiat 1100 "Quotidiana" - targhediferro
20 - Pinin Farina Lancia Aurelia PF200 spider - Ehhxekt
21 - Touring Pegaso - Joćo
22 - Monviso Fiat 1100 coupé - targhediferro
23 - Fiat 8V berlinetta (fiberglass body) - Joćo
24 - Ferrari 250 Europa coupé Pinin Farina - Ehhxekt
25 - Peugeot 203 - Joćo
26 - Ferrari 375 MM Pinin Farina - Ehhxekt
27 - Ferrari 375 America Vignale - Joćo
28 - Fissore Fiat 1100 TV - targhediferro
29 - Ghia-Serie Speciali FIat 1100 "Tutta luce" - Ehhxekt
30 - Fissore Fiat 1100 coupé - Joćo
31 - Fissore Fiat 1100 familiare - targhediferro
32 - Bertone Alfa Romeo BAT7 - Joćo
33 - Bertone Fiat 1100 Cheetah - targhediferro
34 - Bertone Arnolt-Bristol - Joćo
35 - Bertone Dodge Zeder - targhediferro
36 - Bertone Fiat 1100 berlinetta - mekubb
37 - Bertone Fiat 1100 Derby - Joćo
38 - Touring Alfa Romeo 1900 Super Sprint - targhediferro
39 - DKW F89L Bus - Ehhxekt
40 - Francis Lombardi Fiat 1100 - targhediferro
41 - Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint - Joćo
42 - Francis Lombardi Fiat 1400 Ministeriale - targhediferro
43 - Panhard Dyna Z - Joćo
44 - DKW Universal - Ehhxekt
45 - Lancia Aurelia B20 GT - Joćo
46 - Alfa Romeo Romeo - targhediferro
47 - Frua Fiat 1100 TV - Joćo
48 - Alfa Romeo 1900 Super - targhediferro
49 - Alfa Romeo 1900 SS Touring - Ehhxekt
50 - Frua Ermini 1100 - SACO
51 - Lancia Aurelia B12 - targhediferro
52 - IAME Justicialista sedan - targhediferro
53 - Colli Fiat 1100 - SACO
54 - Moretti 1200 - Ehhxekt
55 - IAME Justicialista sport - targhediferro
56 - Moretti 1200 Sport - Ehhxekt
57 - Zagato Fiat 1100 - Wendax
58 - Accossato Fiat 1100 - SACO
59 - Zagato Fiat 8V - Wendax / Zagato Fiat 1100 - Joćo
60 - Siata 208S - Joćo
61 - Moretti pullman - SACO
62 - Siata Mitzi - Ehhxekt
63 - ISO Isetta - Joćo
64 - Maserati A6G 2000 Frua - SACO
65 - Maserati A6GCS Pinin Farina - Ehhxekt
66 - Allemano Fiat 1100 coupé - SACO
67 - Moretti 750 monoposto - Wendax
68 - Allemano Fiat 1100 cabriolet - SACO
69 - Maserati A6GCS - SACO
70 - Allemano Fiat 1100 coupé - Ehhxekt
71 - ISO Isocarro - SACO
72 - ISO Isetta - Wendax
73 - Viotti Fiat 1100 giardinetta - Ehhxekt
74 - Viotti Fiat 1100 giardinetta - SACO
75 - Giaur 750 - Ehhxekt
76 - Viotti Fiat 1100 giardinetta - SACO
77 - Ghia Serie Speciali Fiat 1400D commerciale - Paul Jaray
78 - Viotti Fiat 1100 giardinetta - SACO
79 - Ghia Serie Speciali Fiat 1100 commerciale - Paul Jaray
80 - Alfa Romeo Romeo - SACO
81 - Touring Pegaso - Paul Jaray
82 - Lancia Appia - Wendax
83 - Nardi-Crosley 750 Motto - Ehhxekt
84 - Moretti 750 Alger-Le Cap - Wendax
85 - Simca Aronde Grand Large - Ehhxekt
86 - Moretti 750 Alger-Le Cap - Wendax
87 - Vignale Fiat 1900 - Paul Jaray
88 - Pinin Farina Alfa Romeo 1900 - SACO
89 - Vignale Fiat 1100 TV - Paul Jaray
90 - Alfa Romeo 1900 Super - Ehhxekt
91 - Vignale Fiat 1100 TV - Paul Jaray
92 - Stanguellini 750 Sport bialbero - Ehhxekt
93 - Opel Kapitän - Paul Jaray
94 - Opel Olympia Rekord - Wendax
95 - Mercedes-Benz 220 - point not assigned
96 - Mercedes-Benz 300S cabriolet - Paul Jaray
97 - Cadillac Eldorado - Ehhxekt
98 - Mercedes-Benz 220 cabriolet - Wendax
99 - Mercedes-Benz 300 cabriolet - Paul Jaray
100 - Fiat 1400A - SACO
101 - Fiat 1100 Familiare - targhediferro
102 - Simca Aronde Chatelaine Break - Joćo
103 - Monterosa Fiat 1100 - targhediferro
104 - Cadillac Coupé De Ville - Joćo
105 - Alfa Romeo 1900C SS Touring - targhediferro
106 - Siata Fiat 1100 Vignale - Joćo
107 - Lancia Aurelia B12 - targhediferro
108 - Fiat 1100 "De Luxe" Ghia Serie Speciali - Joćo
109 - Fiat 1100 "Quotidiana" "De Luxe" Ghia Serie Speciali - targhediferro
110 - Touring Alfa Romeo 1900 Super Sprint - Joćo
111 - Mercedes-Benz 180 - targhediferro

POINTS
Joćo +26
targhediferro +25
Ehhxekt +20
SACO +15-2
Wendax +10-1
Paul Jaray +9
mekubb +2
kwgibbs +1

MAP
« Last Edit: November 08, 2014, 09:46:15 AM by Iluvatar »
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Re: MPC#045 (2)
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2014, 08:42:48 AM »
Be careful! Rules are little changed from the previous version of the puzzle!
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Re: MPC#045 (2)
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2014, 05:12:44 AM »
I hope not to have scared you with all these rules...  :)
You can try at least to identify the car in the picture... it's easy... and when and where it was showed at a motor show...
Let's go experts!!  ;)
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Re: MPC#045 (2)
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2014, 09:23:44 AM »
yes,I,ll at least try that,is this a monviso stella filanto 1954?

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Re: MPC#045 (2)
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2014, 05:16:49 AM »
yes,I,ll at least try that,is this a monviso stella filanto 1954?
Yes! Locked for you to tell me the motor show in which it's showed in the puzzle picture...
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Re: MPC#045 (2)
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2014, 05:41:13 AM »
was it the Turin show of 1955?

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Re: MPC#045 (2)
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2014, 08:50:32 AM »
was it the Turin show of 1955?
Turin is correct... but why 1955 for a 1954 car??  ???
Locked again for you to tell me the right year...  ;)
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Re: MPC#045 (2)
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2014, 01:55:57 PM »
so it was 1954? its the only year I can find for this car,sorry !

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Re: MPC#045 (2)
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2014, 02:14:32 PM »
so it was 1954? its the only year I can find for this car,sorry !
Yes... it's the 1954 Turin Motor Show! The first point will be your!
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Re: MPC#045 (2)
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2014, 02:17:38 PM »
And now... the puzzle can start... who can identify one of the cars near the Stella Filante??
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Re: MPC#045 (2)
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2014, 02:45:49 PM »
was it the Ghia/monviso 1100?

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Re: MPC#045 (2)
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2014, 02:54:56 PM »
was it the Ghia/monviso 1100?
You have to be more specific and you have to prove what you are saying... thanks... ;)
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Re: MPC#045 (2)
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2014, 03:40:27 PM »
I,ll keep trying just the same.

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Re: MPC#045 (2)
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2014, 08:37:46 PM »
It seems like this was the very last monviso,1100 coupe fiat,before Ghia took them in?

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Re: MPC#045 (2)
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2014, 04:38:13 AM »
It seems like this was the very last monviso,1100 coupe fiat,before Ghia took them in?
Yes, 1954 was the last year for Monviso, but there were already a collaboration with Ghia in that year...
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Re: MPC#045 (2)
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2014, 04:42:49 AM »
The front of car #1 - Monviso Fiat 1100 Stella Filante
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Re: MPC#045 (2)
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2014, 02:50:54 PM »
was it the monviso fiat  1100 cabriolet,racy star next to the stella filante monviso?

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Re: MPC#045 (2)
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2014, 11:24:02 AM »
was it the monviso fiat  1100 cabriolet,racy star next to the stella filante monviso?
I'm not sure to understand what you mean... "racy star" means "stella filante" if Google translator is correct... so do you mean there is a Stella Filante cabriolet next to the Stella Filante showed in the first picture?
Can you prove it in some way??
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Re: MPC#045 (2)
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2014, 11:24:35 AM »
... and... for the other experts... the puzzle is not locked!! Where are you??
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Re: MPC#045 (2)
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2014, 11:20:33 AM »
Last call for Experts...  I'll move this puzzle to Pros soon...
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Re: MPC#045 (2)
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2014, 01:21:49 PM »
Could the next car be a Fiat 1900 A Cabriolet by Ghia, also at the 1954 Turin show ?

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Re: MPC#045 (2)
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2014, 08:13:26 AM »
Could the next car be a Fiat 1900 A Cabriolet by Ghia, also at the 1954 Turin show ?
That's quite a strange question... I think you have not understood how the puzzle works... maybe with a little drawing...
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Re: MPC#045 (2)
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2014, 08:24:51 AM »
So... possible replies to this puzzle can be...
"the car on the right of the Stella Filante is a .............."
"the dark coupé in the first picture can be a ..........." (but for this one I need at least a picture of the car which fit the car in the picture to confirm your identification...)
"the cabriolet in the background of the first picture is a ............... because .............. "
"I have found another picture (attached) with the Stella Filante and I see there is a ......... behind it"...
Ok??  ;)
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Re: MPC#045 (2)
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2014, 09:41:25 AM »
Could the next car be a Fiat 1900 A Cabriolet by Ghia, also at the 1954 Turin show ?
Nevertheless you are indeed on a right track... but what it's missing it's the link between this car and the Stella Filante... were they close? If so... can you in some way prove it?
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